JVP. Not a curbstomp though, since Wildcat has also beaten Batman iirc.
Azrael with the Bat-suit walked over an on-venom-Bane...who had beat him before...he stomps.
Wildcat's skill advantage, won't be enough here.
He beat bane because of venom withdrawal. And he never lost to bane prior to that.
Yeah, he did, it was after Bane broke Batman's back, and JPV toke over, Batman told him not to confront Bane, JPV didn't care, because he didn't agreed with the way that Batman handled things, and he confronted Bane, and got his ass kicked...then he build an enhanced battle armor, built around the influence of the system.
@jashro44: JPV lost that fight. It wasn't a stomp but he lost, there's really no reason to debate it.
After that he had to create a new suit with the system, then he beat Bane as you know. It doesn't matter how he lost, the fact is that he lost that fight
@jashro44: JPV lost that fight. It wasn't a stomp but he lost, there's really no reason to debate it.
After that he had to create a new suit with the system, then he beat Bane as you know. It doesn't matter how he lost, the fact is that he lost that fight
@jashro44: JPV lost that fight. It wasn't a stomp but he lost, there's really no reason to debate it.
After that he had to create a new suit with the system, then he beat Bane as you know. It doesn't matter how he lost, the fact is that he lost that fight
This.
A loss is a loss...if they were fighting on the ground, and they stayed on the ground, then, who knows what would have happened...but that's another story, plus, it was clear, that the writter had JPV lose, for ignoring Bruce's advise of not approaching Bane...and then, having him built a better gear.
@jashro44: So you consider falling way down into a fountain and letting bane get away a win? JPV went to the cave and built the new suit for fun??
He lost, and needed to adapt to beat him. You don't have to get knocked out or die to lose. He tried to beat bane, got knocked all the way down into a fountain, almost dying, then let bane get away.
What JPV did to bane the second time is a win. This, is a loss.
@bat_girl_cc: How did he lose? He wasn't knocked out, dead, or incapacitated....
But Bane was having the upper-hand...plus, he won that fight, by default.
Bane only had the upper hand until JPV had his foot tied, they were even up until that point...And even than Bane didn't technically win. JPV was still standing.
@jashro44: JPV lost that fight. It wasn't a stomp but he lost, there's really no reason to debate it.
After that he had to create a new suit with the system, then he beat Bane as you know. It doesn't matter how he lost, the fact is that he lost that fight
This.
A loss is a loss...if they were fighting on the ground, and they stayed on the ground, then, who knows what would have happened...but that's another story, plus, it was clear, that the writter had JPV lose, for ignoring Bruce's advise of not approaching Bane...and then, having him built a better gear.
JPV built better gear and Bane upped the dosage of his venom afterwards.
@jashro44: So you consider falling way down into a fountain and letting bane get away a win? JPV went to the cave and built the new suit for fun??
He lost, and needed to adapt to beat him. You don't have to get knocked out or die to lose. He tried to beat bane, got knocked all the way down into a fountain, almost dying, then let bane get away.
No I said neither won. I could just as easily say "you consider Bane running away a win?" JPV built a new suit due to the system, and I don't see why this means anything considering Bane upped the dosage of venom after the fight as well. So its not like JPV was the only one who made improvements.
@jashro44: Like I said it wasn't a stomp, bane won but it was a challenge.
Yeah I consider getting away a win when you weren't even trying to fight batman. But it wasn't just running away, he knocked batman down hard and really hurt him. He had other stuff to do. He could've stayed and beaten JPV up since he was hurt. Bane won the fight. He had knocked Batman down, hurt him, and could have done whatever he wanted to from there. This was no stalemate, batman was outmatched.
Knocking your opponent a long way down almost killing him and leaving >>> getting knocked way down into a fountain almost dying and letting your guy get away
@bat_girl_cc: How did he lose? He wasn't knocked out, dead, or incapacitated....
But Bane was having the upper-hand...plus, he won that fight, by default.
Bane only had the upper hand until JPV had his foot tied, they were even up until that point...And even than Bane didn't technically win. JPV was still standing.
@jashro44: JPV lost that fight. It wasn't a stomp but he lost, there's really no reason to debate it.
After that he had to create a new suit with the system, then he beat Bane as you know. It doesn't matter how he lost, the fact is that he lost that fight
This.
A loss is a loss...if they were fighting on the ground, and they stayed on the ground, then, who knows what would have happened...but that's another story, plus, it was clear, that the writter had JPV lose, for ignoring Bruce's advise of not approaching Bane...and then, having him built a better gear.
JPV built better gear and Bane upped the dosage of his venom afterwards.
JPV isn't as skilled as Bruce, that's why he got his butt handed to him...if i was him, i would've done, what Bruce did...ask Shiva for some training.
@jashro44: Like I said it wasn't a stomp, bane won but it was a challenge.
Yeah I consider getting away a win when you weren't even trying to fight batman. But it wasn't just running away, he knocked batman down hard and really hurt him. He had other stuff to do. He could've stayed and beaten JPV up since he was hurt. Bane won the fight. He had knocked Batman down, hurt him, and could have done whatever he wanted to from there. This was no stalemate, batman was outmatched.
Considering the very first thing he did after the first fight and getting more venom, was send JPV a message where to find him I disagree. The reason he ran was because he was losing blood and needed more venom to recover.
@jashro44: a stalemate is a fight that ends evenly. It was a stalemate UNTIL batman fell. One man being severely injured and the other perfectly fine at the end is not a stalemate.
@jashro44: So you consider falling way down into a fountain and letting bane get away a win? JPV went to the cave and built the new suit for fun??
He lost, and needed to adapt to beat him. You don't have to get knocked out or die to lose. He tried to beat bane, got knocked all the way down into a fountain, almost dying, then let bane get away.
What JPV did to bane the second time is a win. This, is a loss.
@jashro44: once again, it wasn't a stomp. Yes bane needed to recover. But batman was severely injured, bane wasn't. Batman couldn't even chase him. Not a stalemate
@bat_girl_cc: How did he lose? He wasn't knocked out, dead, or incapacitated....
But Bane was having the upper-hand...plus, he won that fight, by default.
Bane only had the upper hand until JPV had his foot tied, they were even up until that point...And even than Bane didn't technically win. JPV was still standing.
Bane threw him away and the rope stopped JPV from falling, the rope saved him if it weren´t for the rope he would have fallen faster and he may have died.
@jashro44: a stalemate is a fight that ends evenly. It was a stalemate UNTIL batman fell. One man being severely injured and the other perfectly fine at the end is not a stalemate.
@jashro44: once again, it wasn't a stomp. Yes bane needed to recover. But batman was severely injured, bane wasn't. Batman couldn't even chase him. Not a stalemate
Again it was even until JPV got tied up and Bane wasn't perfectly fine at all in the end. He ran because he needed to recover so they were both pretty badly injured. Basing who won on injuries doesn't really change what I am saying. Yes Bane had the upper hand at one point but it wasn't because JPV was outmatched is my point.
Bane threw him away and the rope stopped JPV from falling, the rope saved him if it weren´t for the rope he would have fallen faster and he may have died.
Maybe not. JPV did fall eventually and he was able to survive. I guess saying it was a stalemate until he got tied up is wrong though. I guess I should say a stalemate until they hit the platform.
@jashro44: Doesn't matter if JPV wasn't outmatched. Doesn't matter if it was even up until a certain point. All that matters is that at the end, one man was on the ground severely injured and not able to give chase, the other was well enough to run away and escape. That is not a stalemate. Yeah JPV didn't lose because he was outmatched, but he still lost. Maybe it would've been different if they flight on the ground, but batman lost that one.
@jashro44: Doesn't matter if JPV wasn't outmatched. Doesn't matter if it was even up until a certain point. All that matters is that at the end, one man was on the ground severely injured and not able to give chase, the other was well enough to run away and escape. That is not a stalemate. Yeah JPV didn't lose because he was outmatched, but he still lost. Maybe it would've been different if they flight on the ground, but batman lost that one.
I still disagree he lost overall but as long as you agree he wasn't outmatched I'm fine.
JVP. Not a curbstomp though, since Wildcat has also beaten Batman iirc.
Ted has never beaten Bruce, not for real. They have fought twice and both had Context.
Was a set up by Joker (and old brave and the bold)where he had set bombs on innocents to make the two fight. Ted was fighting for real while Bruce was holding back watching for an opening on Joker that eventually came (Ted was sure which ever of them won would take Joker Bruce was more aware of what Joker was capable of). The scans of which have already been loaded above.
the second was a cage fight in a Batman Wildcat mini. Both were blind folded and Bruce recognized Ted's style from the outset. Again Bruce held back trying to reason with Ted while Ted was going all out. One of Ted's arguments during the fight to say he wasn't facing Batman was that if he were he wouldn't be faring so well. Bruce got tired and stopped holding back and one shotted him with a single blow that removed Ted's blind fold.
There was a third Fight between Wildcat and Earth 2 Bruce Wayne (when he was commissioner) in All Star Comics. E-2 Bruce is NO WHERE near the skill level of E-1 so that hardly counts.
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