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Generic city, abandoned of peope, plenty of cover in terms of cars etc.
- Dark Knight Returns Batman (animated feats may be used, as well as any other of Millar's work that falls in canon with DKR)
- Arrowverse Arrow (comic feats apply and whatnot)
- Standard gear
- Morals on
- No prep, no knowledge
- Combatants start in view
To be fair Oliver just showed the ability to fire 4 arrows at once with really great accuracy.
The GIF is kind of small so here's the video encase. Bruce may still be able to win (especially with animated stuff added in) but catching an arrow really isn't a big deal. All though on another note the OP never specified that earth 31 batman was in his prime. Not sure if it makes a huge difference (pretty sure the movie gave this batman some good speed feats).
In his prime he was better, though Batman still bullet dodge fine in his more decrepit state, and showed the same stats as his younger self. Just in more pain preforming the feats, and started Book 1 rusty though was in prime self by Book 3.
I read it wrong. DKR - I took it as Dark Knight Rises.
Animated Batman would win. As much as I love Arrow, but Oliver would give old bats, a run for his money.
@indomitableregal, Thank You for telling me. I would've looked stupid.
This is not a hard fight at all. Stats, Skill, and Gear trump Arrow by a degree.
One of Frank Millers Batman's best traits was his strength.
This Batman was not slow at all. Even at his old age, he had great speed as he did in his prime.
While many may not know it, this Batman is insane durable. Insanely so. He has taken beatings like no other, and never let it slow him down.
One of the most important things to any Batman is gear. Frank Miller Batman is no exception to the awesome gear he makes and gets his hands on.
Of course the main stay weapon would be his Batrangs which Batman has amazing accuracy with.
This Batman also makes use of Grapple Lines like any other. Even for attacks.
Batman makes extensive use of Thermite Weapons that burn at hot temperatures, and set fire to nearby things.
Batman makes use of Smoke for distraction, and cover.
Batman has use Nerve Gas to hinder foes, or KO a mob of men.
Batman caries explosives for whatever the situation may require.
Thanks to his strict no intentional killing policy, he makes use of tranq like sedatives.
This Batman also used a razor edge cape later in his career to maim foes.
Main Stay of Batmans gear is the ability to summon mass amount of bats for cover, and distractions.
Batman one time used a special putty capsule to hit the face of the Mutant Leader, and stop him dead in his tracks. While unclear in the comic itself, it was clarified in the animated adaptation.
A weapon the older Batman design to take down people with Electronic level.
Batman has shown many times to have use, or have on stand by a Batglider of some kind.
Batman has twice in extreme cases make use of Power Gauntlets to fight foes superior than himself.
What kind of Batman this be without Skill?
Batman shows this knowledge in his fighting and use of Pressure Points.
The Spawn Cross Over is stated to be Canon to Earth 31 by Miller in hear say, he wrote the comic with McFarland and both originally wanted it to be a canon crossover, only McFarland shortly retcon this afterward. However this official Novel on all things Batman confirms the Cannon of this rumor as well.
With that said one can say this was one of Batman's best feats, fighting a classic version of Al Simmons whi himself is the most deadly assassin in the Image world. Batman match well enough with no real special gear, and stalemated with the help of Gauntlets. A great feat against a skill establish foe like Simmons..
@nickzambuto: So Simmons, the greatest fighter in the Spawn world, and master assassine of highest class, a peak human who defeats super humans is a meager fighter?
Nope. Spawn while rarely is shown not using his powers to easy win fights, is shown time and again to have the acclaim skill he had as a mere human fighting impossible odds in a world with Young Blood and other image heroes. Train to be the best assassin the CIA had. Yeah, he is so not skilled either Nick, riiiight.
Batman gear is more useful. Name one Arrow trick arrow Batman does not trump with his own.
Also I think its funny you think Arrow has flashier moves, makes him better. yet in other threads your willing to justify characters like Resident Evil characters who show no flashy moves, but that means they are more skilled ;) Which is it? Batman needs flashy moves when what he knows, and shows is superior in effectiveness?
Like I've said before, Frank Miller consistently portrays Batman as physically stronger than almost any other writer. And if we're using the animated film, he's got close range, repeated bullet timing reflexes as well.
So that leaves Oliver's advantages as speed, perception, and skill (yes speed reflexes and perception are all very different things). After rewatching the beating Batman endured from the mutant leader in their first fight before finally being incapacitated, I think I'm going to change my original opinion and say their durability is almost even. The thing is that mutant leader is much weaker than Solomon Grundy, but Batman took a lot more hits, so it evens out. Also they have both been shot in non-lethal areas and not really cared at all. Oliver has a lot more feats to be sure, but I'm trying to be as objective as I can and give Batman all the benefit of the doubt, and I don't think there is anything Oliver has done that really stands out as clearly putting him on a level higher than Batman.
So what about speed and perception? Well, Oliver is insanely fast. Fast enough to very nearly run down a speedingmotorcycle, on foot, and straight up outrace a puma through the jungle.
Just take a look at this. In this scene Oliver is able to kick through and search every single office on every floor of a large apartment building, reach the roof, then travel across town in search of a man who was kidnapped, all on foot and in less than three minutes. He fails, because the kidnapper was actually riding the subway, but damn if Oliver didn't make a good effort.
Now could Batman do any of this? Clearly not. I don't think we'll have any debate.
What about perception? Well, do you think Batman would be capable of keeping track of The Flash and Reverse Flash fighting at max speed inside a storm of blurring electricity? Oliver Queen was. He was even screaming for Barry to move out of the way so he could take his shot on Reverse Flash.
This is insane. This is speed and perception that no peak human has the right to possess. Those two are clear advantages to Oliver, just as strength is a clear advantage to Batman, although I would say the strength difference is significantly smaller. I mean, just looking at the way they are portrayed, it's clear to anyone that Batman is stronger. But let's not get ahead of ourselves, remember that Oliver is a peak human too. I feel like people underestimate him just because he's live action, so he's a real person that we see on-screen and them automatically associate him more with our own limits, but in reality, Arrow is just as much fiction as Batman. It is fiction where men can karate chop through metal, and where Oliver Queen himself as just recently snapped chains holding him by both arms almost completely effortlessly.
The thing that really holds me back from giving Batman any win over Oliver is his clear limits of fighting skill. Now in Arrow, Oliver is an outright over-the-top, crazy insane master fighter where weird magic martial arts provide a solution to almost any problem. Being forced to murder your friend in front of a crowd of people? Just press on this pressure point across the jawline and you will completely stop their pulse, then you can revive them whenever you want with another tap to the neck. Being attacked by a bloodthirsty man who can run faster than the speed of sound and sees bullets in slow motion and wants nothing more than for you to die? Put up an impenetrable offense and predict his every move and somehow attack at every angle in advance so that he is unable to get in close enough to strike back without running into your fist. Invincible undead zombie charging at you in a cramped office with no escape? Just beat the crap out of him with your bare hands!
Now compare that to Batman. He is a master of martial arts, but much less over the top and impossible. He can't even beat a low-level superhuman like the mutant leader, without using special strategies and preparing in advantage. Solomon Grundy is about 10x stronger than the mutant leader and at least just as fast. This should put it into clear perspective that Arrow is just capable of doing more than Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman.
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