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#1 Posted by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules/Settings

  • New 52 Aquaman
  • Earth-616 Ben Grimm
  • In Character
  • Morals On
  • Random Encounter
  • Unpopulated Location
  • Win by KO/Submission
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#2 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (3237 posts) - - Show Bio

The match is close but Thing has and will fight dirty to win while Aquaman wouldn't(at least the last time I saw his character which was admittedly a while back).

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#3 Posted by comic_book_fan (7135 posts) - - Show Bio

the thing he is a hair stronger and a little more durable but it would be a hell of a fight.

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#4 Edited by dondave (41319 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman

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#5 Posted by SwordandShields (922 posts) - - Show Bio

Thing. He punches harder and blocks better.

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#6 Edited by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Aquaman punching through an object similar to The Thing:

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#7 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (9012 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8 Posted by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultrastarkiller: Those scans definitely brings up the question to a controversial fight between the two for sure. Am I right?

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#9 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (9012 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultrastarkiller: Those scans definitely brings up the question to a controversial fight between the two for sure. Am I right?

That you are. His trident also makes this fight easier.

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#10 Edited by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultrastarkiller said:

That you are. His trident also makes this fight easier.

But what if his trident is removed.. What do you think the outcome will be then?

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#11 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (9012 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultrastarkiller said:

That you are. His trident also makes this fight easier.

But what if his trident is removed.. What do you think the outcome will be then?

It will be even closer but Aquaman still wins.

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#12 Posted by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

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#13 Posted by Joygirl (21019 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman via speed.

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#14 Posted by Erick_Williams (983 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Aquaman is not that durable
Aquaman wins but close

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#15 Posted by jashro44 (37775 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman in a good fight.

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#16 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (14349 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Arthur has pretty good strength feats...but even though Grimm is stated to be weaker, I think he has better striking power feats, as for speed, outside of water, Arthur has like no combat speed feats, his durability feats do not match Ben's at all, tanking lightning, explosions, high falls, lasers, sharp and pointies .... Ben has done it all with even better success .... I would give Pre-52 Orin the win in a heartbeat since he has every feat he needs to be superior to Ben (including a few more powers that make him exceptionally dangerous), but the new 52 Aquaman is still green, soft and frankly outside of good storytelling, weak.....that cruise ship he lifted was the best I've seen from him...it ain't enough to beat ole blue eyes.

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#17 Posted by MonsterStomp (30277 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Edited by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Posted by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

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#20 Posted by God_Spawn (40445 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly think this could go either depending on how they play their cards. Tipping a cruise ship is all fine and dandy, and I understand Arthur has the speed advantage, but the Thing has grown a lot in power and durability over the years and he is one of the more skilled bricks in Marvel. In recent years he's gotten some solid blows on opponents that were vastly stronger than him like WWH and Juggalossus, and despite the outcomes of both fights, I think both would beat Orin in h2h rather handily. Thing has basically grown to the point he can virtually stalemate a freshly hydrated Namor, and I'm not talking about their A vs X battle where Namor lost, that was stupid. Their second fight, albeit brief, was something I found much more believable given the growth of the Thing and stagnant position of Namor.

But, what Orin lacks in durability, he makes up in being strong himself and has the speed edge. The environment here is definitely in favor of Aquaman and the ace in the hole Orin needs to turn the tide, but if Thing can press the advantage and keep out of the water's range, I feel he can steal the slight majority. His durability, skill, and power outside of the water seem enough to take Orin.

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#21 Posted by sandiego008 (3408 posts) - - Show Bio

Going w/ aquaman takes the majority

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#22 Posted by Deranged Midget (18346 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know about this. As a fan of both, I'd have to say people may be overestimating Arthur's abilties here. Sure, he is rather strong, has some incredible speed feats (mostly in water) and his strength and durability allows him to hang with the best of DC's powerhouses, but that alone isn't enough all the time. His Trident will be an advantage though, giving him some range and superior striking ability. Having seen Arthur tank Diana's hits and land one on Clark, albeit and unexpected shot, which sent him flying is proof enough that he can definitely go toe-to-toe with Ben.

In terms of skill, it's hard to truly determine this. Ben is known for being a brawler and has reputation for it. He consistently tango's with the likes of the Hulks and comes out laughing. Arthur on the other hand hasn't necessarily displayed any real level of skill, besides with his trident but he can definitely throw a punch.

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#23 Posted by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

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#24 Edited by Pokergeist (23180 posts) - - Show Bio

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The next Viner Weekly fight is Monday with these 2. In H2H Thing might win.In the coming match AM will have his trident which is one sided.

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#25 Edited by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@raw_material said:

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The next Viner Weekly fight is Monday with these 2. In H2H Thing might win.In the coming match AM will have his trident which is one sided.

...And when will this take place?

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#26 Edited by comic_book_fan (7135 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultrastarkiller:

the thing's shell is harder than that and he is on par with aquaman in strength maybe stronger

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#27 Edited by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

I know @k4tzm4n has already touched up on this in his Battle of the Week thread, but just wanted to clarify the experience that Aquaman possesses in combat, as well as the feats that makes him the fighter he is. The one who toys around with his enemies like it's a Killer Whale playing with the seal he's about to eat. Although, this battle IMO could go either way considering what a powerhouse The Thing is. TBH, the reason why I made this thread was to not only test Aquaman, but also see some pretty cool feats of the Thing as well. Anyone has scans? Again this is a H2H Combat, so no outside help or equipment for that matter. Strictly a bare knuckles fist fight. Now, let's get it on!

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#28 Posted by Carter_esque (6705 posts) - - Show Bio
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"It's clobberin' time!", says The Thing before proceeding to one-shot Aquaman.

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#29 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (3671 posts) - - Show Bio

Thing wins after a well fought battle but if this was in water it would be the other way around

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#30 Posted by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

I know The Thing has some pretty cool feats. Anyone could get ahold of em and post them up on here?

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#31 Posted by God_Spawn (40445 posts) - - Show Bio

The Thing is so fast he caught Spider-Man!

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#32 Posted by God_Spawn (40445 posts) - - Show Bio

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#33 Edited by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio
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#34 Posted by Raw_Material (3537 posts) - - Show Bio

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#35 Posted by thestarguy (388 posts) - - Show Bio

I love both characters, honestly......new-52 Aquaman has impressive strength, speed and leaping skills...no doubt about it....but the Thing has sufficient strength to win, and still has superior battle/combat skills, as well as far greater durability. As long as Arthur does not have the Trident, this battle could go either way, although if the Things grabs him and simply pounds on him repeatedly, Arthur doesn't have the durability to handle that , IMHO. However, if Arthur sticks to "hit & run", and keeps moving & leaping around and resorts to throwing stuff, then he will win. Entirely depends on the scenario. And the Thing has been in a virtual tie with Namor for much of his career, actually, but currently, Namor is no match for Ben on land; in water is a different issue, though.

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#36 Posted by sync1 (3143 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't Aquaman just throw him in the water then beat the crap out of Thing?

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#37 Posted by thestarguy (388 posts) - - Show Bio

@sync1: If he grabbed him, he probably could.

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#38 Edited by comicfan11 (1347 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman.

Strength and Durability are comparable but Aquaman is much faster and quicker.

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#39 Posted by jashro44 (37775 posts) - - Show Bio

I think aquamans speed gives him the edge.

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#40 Posted by comic_book_fan (7135 posts) - - Show Bio

the thing.

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#41 Posted by MAZAHS117 (7386 posts) - - Show Bio

In a straight slugfest?

I'm going with Grimm

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#42 Posted by Wolverine008 (50677 posts) - - Show Bio

In a straight slugfest?

I'm going with Grimm

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#43 Posted by matchesmalone21 (10617 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Arthur has pretty good strength feats...but even though Grimm is stated to be weaker, I think he has better striking power feats, as for speed, outside of water, Arthur has like no combat speed feats, his durability feats do not match Ben's at all, tanking lightning, explosions, high falls, lasers, sharp and pointies .... Ben has done it all with even better success .... I would give Pre-52 Orin the win in a heartbeat since he has every feat he needs to be superior to Ben (including a few more powers that make him exceptionally dangerous), but the new 52 Aquaman is still green, soft and frankly outside of good storytelling, weak.....that cruise ship he lifted was the best I've seen from him...it ain't enough to beat ole blue eyes.

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Punching Superman and tackle Wonder Woman.

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#44 Posted by comic_book_fan (7135 posts) - - Show Bio

@matchesmalone21:

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thing tarring down a stadium and namor admitting the thing is his equal.

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#46 Edited by cameron83 (8365 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

I honestly think this could go either depending on how they play their cards. Tipping a cruise ship is all fine and dandy, and I understand Arthur has the speed advantage, but the Thing has grown a lot in power and durability over the years and he is one of the more skilled bricks in Marvel. In recent years he's gotten some solid blows on opponents that were vastly stronger than him like WWH and Juggalossus, and despite the outcomes of both fights, I think both would beat Orin in h2h rather handily. Thing has basically grown to the point he can virtually stalemate a freshly hydrated Namor, and I'm not talking about their A vs X battle where Namor lost, that was stupid. Their second fight, albeit brief, was something I found much more believable given the growth of the Thing and stagnant position of Namor.

But, what Orin lacks in durability, he makes up in being strong himself and has the speed edge. The environment here is definitely in favor of Aquaman and the ace in the hole Orin needs to turn the tide, but if Thing can press the advantage and keep out of the water's range, I feel he can steal the slight majority. His durability, skill, and power outside of the water seem enough to take Orin.

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I don't know about this. As a fan of both, I'd have to say people may be overestimating Arthur's abilties here. Sure, he is rather strong, has some incredible speed feats (mostly in water) and his strength and durability allows him to hang with the best of DC's powerhouses, but that alone isn't enough all the time. His Trident will be an advantage though, giving him some range and superior striking ability. Having seen Arthur tank Diana's hits and land one on Clark, albeit and unexpected shot, which sent him flying is proof enough that he can definitely go toe-to-toe with Ben.

In terms of skill, it's hard to truly determine this. Ben is known for being a brawler and has reputation for it. He consistently tango's with the likes of the Hulks and comes out laughing. Arthur on the other hand hasn't necessarily displayed any real level of skill, besides with his trident but he can definitely throw a punch.

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Also people,can you please post feats for both characters,instead of just one? Like making Aquaman break the ocean floor...even though he's underwater....his advantage. Or when it's pouring down rain?

Destroying Crystal mountain....
Destroying Crystal mountain....

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many of the scans work...not all,though.

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#47 Posted by Spartan101 (4077 posts) - - Show Bio

thing just,,,,,,5.1 to 4.9 win.

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#48 Edited by Petey_is_Spidey (9798 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman.

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#49 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (7445 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is strictly H2H no weapons Thing wins, strength and skill go to Ben

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#50 Posted by Ddecourt (919 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman wins easy.