@saren: Thanks for the info.
@realitywarper: I just do that with comics that are nearly impossible to find or they're not worth the buy. Like: Demon Knights; Day of Judgement; Shadowpact. I want to have the Authority books in my own collection and they're probably going to publish in my country since they've published Planetary last year. I'll wait.
Same.
Depending on my money too.
@saren@buckshot
It was my first debate here and even I made some mistakes, as everyone does, I have put some efforts on giving a lot of accurate information.
@saren
About what? I don't think I ever claimed Apollo beat Captain Atom, just that he threw Atom into the sun after opening a door, which is exactly what happened.
Regarding on the context, Cap Atom was totally upset by the violence displayed by the characters on this alternate reality. His main problem wasn't to explode and to find a way to save the World. Fighting more people, like Apollo here, didn't help at all.
The only point of that example was to show that doors can be opened that lead directly to the sun.
Right.
Captain Atom himself was entirely irrelevant
Not really. Blue Marvel has been proved capable of manipulating energies too. Moreove,r as I said previously in the thread, there is some recents feats of him blasting people with large anti-photons blast. So I anticipated it well.
He could have been substituted with any other character and the point that doors can go to the sun would have remained contact.
Depends on what you want to show.
I did use Atom as an example of Apollo's physical strength because Atom himself expressed fear that Apollo would kill him if the fight remained physical (and Atom ultimately defeated Apollo through molecule manipulation).
Because Captain Atom relies more on his Quantom Hax Powers than in physical strenght, contrary to Blue Marvel who some energy manipulation (on a lesser degree than Cap) but can use it usefully here.
RealityWarper then insisted that Atom was KO'd so it didn't count, even though Atom's presence there was, as I said, irrelevant.
Yep. I mistaken and I had to re read the comic book. Nobody's perfect I guess.
I made the mistake of playing along and pointed out that Atom has multiple thought boxes on those panels, which casts doubt on the idea that he was KO'd given that it is hard to think while not conscious.
Yeah. It happens. But the point is that he refused the physical fight as he probably couldn't win this way. Then he tricked Apollo and won.
We can notice that he said to Apollo that he would take a while for him to kill him by physical means so he had to get more energy from the Sun. Then Apollo opened a door. Slowly carried a non-fighting back Captain Atom... And lost the fight when Cap overloaded him.
You have thoughts, surely you've noticed that they're only around when you're awake. RealityWarper then went with a brand new definition of KO'd, still not grasping the point that Captain Atom's presence was entirely irrelevant. What could come of continuing?
I used the term technical KO.
technical knockout :
A victory in boxing, with immediate termination of the match, awarded by the referee when it appears that one fighter is too badly injured to continue.So we accord to the fact that Cap Atom was awake but unable to strike back by physical means. We are close to that definition if you want my opinion.There is no point in debating with people whose idea of a response consists of "lol, you can't say that, i debunked it" regardless of whether any debunking actually took place or not. This thread was a waste of time from start to finish.
Not really. I made some mistakes but I learned a lot about debating here.
If we goes by the logic of this Apollo's feat, he has to subdue physically Blue Marvel in the first place before carrying him through a door.
How is that supposed to happen ?
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