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#1 Posted by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-Monitor (Sinestro Corps Wars):

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vs.

Odin (with Destroyer's armor):

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Who win?

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#2 Posted by King Saturn (220401 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the Anti Monitor would win in a good battle with Odin...

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#3 Posted by New_World_Order (13893 posts) - - Show Bio

Is that depowered Anti-Moniter?

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#4 Posted by JackKnight (2975 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin should win against SCW Anti-Monitor in a good fight.

But with some difficulty.

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#5 Posted by KingOfAsh (3935 posts) - - Show Bio

This must be some depowered version of the Anti-Monitor. A galaxy buster doesn't go down well against a multiverse buster.

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#6 Posted by dondave (40976 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-Monitor

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#7 Posted by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8 Posted by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#9 Posted by dadivineking (41765 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin wrecks.

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#10 Posted by JwwProd (18029 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin.

SCW Anti-Monitor was a joke.

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#11 Edited by Laylah (2331 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd read Sinestro Corps Wars and couldn't find what put him above Odin.

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#12 Edited by dadivineking (41765 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod said:

Odin.

SCW Anti-Monitor was a joke.

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#13 Posted by MasterKungFu (20726 posts) - - Show Bio

AM

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#14 Posted by Avengers1099 (253 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin stomps!!!

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#16 Edited by Avatar_of_Green (2990 posts) - - Show Bio

COIE AM would probably win on Comicvine, but in comics he did almost lose to weakened Supergirl before killing her, while on his home planet and at full power. He never really won any fights afterwards.

Scans below:

Here:

Supergirl starts wrecking the AM.
Supergirl starts wrecking the AM.
Destroys his body. All by herself.
Destroys his body. All by herself.

Also, here is proof that on Qward (in the anti-matter universe in general) Kryptonians were weaker, lost powers, and were less durable:

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Earth-2 Supes is incredibly strong, more powerful than our Superman, and he still got beaten down by a random rock monster on Qward. Proof of lowered durability.
Earth-2 Supes is incredibly strong, more powerful than our Superman, and he still got beaten down by a random rock monster on Qward. Proof of lowered durability.

Even with this lower durability Supergirl almost killed him. In the next scene the AM remarks how he was close to being completely destroyed by Supergirl.

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#17 Posted by TheGrayGhost (4174 posts) - - Show Bio

@avatar_of_green: Calling the COIE AM at " full power" at a time he hadn't yet absorbed his own universe to boost himself to said level doesn't particularly make sense

Also E1 Supes was stronger and more powerful than E2 Supes at that time

And finally this is before he even puts on his armour , at which point Kryptonians were literally bouncing off him

Also ....you are trying to claim a rock monster animated by the anti monitor is more powerful than someone who shortly after proceeds to absorb his entire universe within himself . So in your frenzied attempt to prove that the Kryptononians were weaker there .....you end up with a showing that shows them getting hurt by beings brought to life by the anti monitor / weaker than the AM ....but overpowering the AM himself

So rock monster > AM in the AM universe ?

Sounds legit .

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#18 Posted by TheGrayGhost (4174 posts) - - Show Bio

That aside , Odin wins fairly easily against a dude who was nearly wasted by a single Galaxy busting explosion

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#19 Posted by dawnone (7269 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Edited by dawnone (7269 posts) - - Show Bio
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honestly due to excessive downplay from marvel fanboys im just going to leave this here

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#21 Edited by Avatar_of_Green (2990 posts) - - Show Bio

@thegrayghost said:

@avatar_of_green: 1) Calling the COIE AM at " full power" at a time he hadn't yet absorbed his own universe to boost himself to said level doesn't particularly make sense

2a) Also E1 Supes was stronger and more powerful than E2 Supes at that time

2b) And finally this is before he even puts on his armour , at which point Kryptonians were literally bouncing off him

3) Also ....you are trying to claim a rock monster animated by the anti monitor is more powerful than someone who shortly after proceeds to absorb his entire universe within himself . So in your frenzied attempt to prove that the Kryptononians were weaker there .....you end up with a showing that shows them getting hurt by beings brought to life by the anti monitor / weaker than the AM ....but overpowering the AM himself

So rock monster > AM in the AM universe ?

Sounds legit .

No, no, no.

1) The COIE AM was at base levels, but he was at "full-power" in that he had not been amped, but he had not been harmed, had his armor, was at his home base on his home planet, and had his thugs pinning down his enemies. This isn't "universe+50 heroes amped COIE AM" (who still lost by the way), it's simply Anti-Monitor. Why would we use anything but his base form? Please, enlighten me?

2b) His armor was on, by Supergirl but was destroyed. And you want scans of Kryptonians not bouncing off of him man, really? I have some of them right here.

This was Supes-2 by the way.
This was Supes-2 by the way.
This was Supes-2 as well, IIRC.
This was Supes-2 as well, IIRC.

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2b) Those scans were all Supes-2, who was much more powerful during this whole arc and was implied to be more powerful many times. He is older and absorbed more yellow-sun radiation, a common booster for Superman throughout his lore.

3) No, Supergirl went kamikaze and fought to the death, Superman was merely harmed by a rock monster. That scan merely shows that Kryptonians had lower durability there, though not necessarily lower strength. This makes sense, as we later see the anti-matter universe contains anti-matter stars rather than stars in the yellow spectrum.

Some more scans of the AM being crushed in COIE, at his best and at base form.

Here:

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Anyways, he clearly is overrated on this forum IMO. He never really did much, even amped beyond all amps.

@dawnone said:

@avatar_of_green: lol troll harder

You're the one trolling my legit arguments, bro.

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#22 Posted by ancient_god (6567 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin

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#23 Posted by WF_Mxyzptlk (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

@dawnone said:
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honestly due to excessive downplay from marvel fanboys im just going to leave this here

I'm going to go ahead and highlight this.

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#24 Posted by Claymore1998 (16228 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrmxyzptlk: interesting because i do not believe Jurgen's stance here is well accepted by Marvel writers in general. Matt Fraction, for instance, treated Odin literally like a god. We see Odin rather easily create his own pocket universe after Asgard was destroyed by Thor during Ragnarok. He also rather easily took hold of and manipulated Surtur's powers that were going to burn the nine realms.

Despite the said comments, even under Dan Jurgens we see Thor shown a visage of Odin force which explains it could easily mold planets and stars at his behest.

Moving to more recent stories we see Odin's story written by Jason Aaron where evidently Odin force is powerful enough to hurl people lightyears away physically like nothing. Under him Gorr fighting 3 Thors, when only one of them had Odin force, was causing damage to very reality itself affecting people forward and backward in time.

During tenth realm , which is another story written by Aaron, we see Odin rip out heavem from the world tree and physically push it out of the conventional universe itself and the said realm was shown to have at least 1 complete galaxy. We could probably speculate it might have more.

So the statement from Jurgens does not seem consistent with Odin's potrayal and all of these mentioned are from stories after Jurge left Thor.

Hope this helps.

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#25 Posted by Claymore1998 (16228 posts) - - Show Bio

Cant say i would be a good judge but I think anti monitor is being undersold here. Granted he was not at the same level as he was seen during dawn of time he was pretty powerful. His corpse was going to be used during Infinity Crisis to make 52 universes. He was also later captured by Nekron and it was his powers that fueled the black lantern central battery as well as provide power to every single black lantern in the whole univerise.

It also took a combined attack from a plethora of Guardians, an explosion said to be capable of destroying milky way galaxy and finally Superboy Prime flying through him to stop him. This was because he was never at full power to begin with.

I am unsure to if he could beat Odin but it does appear he is being undersold in this thread.

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#26 Posted by CitizenSentry (11426 posts) - - Show Bio
@dawnone said:

@avatar_of_green: lol troll harder

^ This is coming from the guy that believes Michael & Lucifer can defeat the Beyonders.....

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#27 Posted by ancient_god (6567 posts) - - Show Bio

@dawnone said:

@avatar_of_green: lol troll harder

^ This is coming from the guy that believes Michael & Lucifer can defeat the Beyonders.....

I doubt that he even know anything at all about what he post

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#29 Posted by mr-luxcipher (1748 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Anti-Monitor

@dawnone said:
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honestly due to excessive downplay from marvel fanboys im just going to leave this here

I'm going to go ahead and highlight this.

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#30 Posted by hatemalingsia (15461 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the SCW Anti-Monitor, right? Not COIE AM?

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#31 Posted by hyperion_13034 (112 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti monitor easily

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#32 Edited by Lens_of_Truth (537 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't really know much about anti, but imma say he wins, he seems to be on a higher teir in DC than idin is in Marvel, but dc so inconsistent I may be wrong

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#33 Posted by mukurorokudo (357 posts) - - Show Bio

AM, 6/10.

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#34 Edited by dawnone (7269 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizensentry: and here I was thinking you were civil insulting someone for disagreeing with your'e opinion and me making a claim in which I have provided thousands of scans for somehow makes me unable to grasp what I claim in my post?should we do a cav then on beyond er v Michael and lucifer then we can rectify who has an idea on what The post. Also your'e agreeing with someone who thinks Michael and lucifer loose to Franklin Richards and I'm the one who has no clue on what he says

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#35 Posted by CitizenSentry (11426 posts) - - Show Bio

@dawnone: You do know that it was the Beyonders who retconned Pre-Retcon Beyonder right?

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#36 Edited by Avatar_of_Green (2990 posts) - - Show Bio
@lens_of_truth said:

Don't really know much about anti, but imma say he wins, he seems to be on a higher teir in DC than idin is in Marvel, but dc so inconsistent I may be wrong

I posted many scans (post #21) of him losing to people below skyfather level, even amped beyond all imagination during the height of his powers during COIE. He does not have a good track record of on-panel victories in fights.

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#37 Posted by ancient_god (6567 posts) - - Show Bio

Borson

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#38 Posted by AcroKat (3638 posts) - - Show Bio

What did this Anti-Monitor even do?

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#39 Posted by newecho (6971 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizensentry: no one seems to understand that the beyonders are all more powerful than the pre retconned beyonder from earlier secret wars. They retconned that in. There are thousands of beyonders with that much power

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#40 Posted by MysticMedivh (27282 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrmxyzptlk said:
said:
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honestly due to excessive downplay from marvel fanboys im just going to leave this here

I'm going to go ahead and highlight this.

We've seen other Marvel officials say otherwise though. It seems that their isn't a general consensus, even among them.

Remind me to find the scan.

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#41 Posted by newecho (6971 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Anti-Monitor

@mrmxyzptlk said:
@dawnone said:
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honestly due to excessive downplay from marvel fanboys im just going to leave this here

I'm going to go ahead and highlight this.

what does one author have to do with feats? His feats show how powerful he is....

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#42 Posted by The_Caped_Crusader (10503 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin.

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#43 Posted by uniforce (240 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin with quite some difficulties.

~UF

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#44 Posted by MysticMedivh (27282 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr-luxcipher said:
@mrmxyzptlk said:
said:
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honestly due to excessive downplay from marvel fanboys im just going to leave this here

I'm going to go ahead and highlight this.

We've seen other Marvel officials say otherwise though. It seems that their isn't a general consensus, even among them.

Remind me to find the scan.

Found it.

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Tom Brevoort's response.

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#45 Edited by dawnone (7269 posts) - - Show Bio

Tom bervoot is not a writer

If we go by his word then Thor is slower than wolverine

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#46 Posted by newecho (6971 posts) - - Show Bio

@dawnone: he is not slower than wolverine and you can save the same ole scans that you always show even though you have been shown dozens of others that contradict the ones you show. That wolverine vs Thor book was crap BTW

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#47 Posted by Hollow_Point (1302 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate writer opinions. They all very from writer to writer... that why I use feats only

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#48 Posted by DarthAznable (15307 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

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#49 Edited by ecgelsv (85 posts) - - Show Bio

Anti-Monitor STOMPS, odin has no high showings

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#50 Posted by Taquie (670 posts) - - Show Bio

Draw. They both get knocked tf out by their own powers being smashed against eachever