Ajax (Fox) vs. Legolas (LoTR and The Hobbit)

• Win by any means. No prep. The fight starts 20 yards apart in a gladiator arena.
• Ajax is armed with his two axes. Legolas is armed with his dual short swords and the sword Orcrist.

Legolas.

Legolas

@lunacyde: @rogueshadow: Do you guys think Legolas wins with his bow, his blades, or a combination of both?

Legolas

Legolas turns him into a human pincushion for lulz, then cuts his head off.

Legolas one shots

Legoland

Ajax dodged a bullet during the highway scene. Doesn't anybody think he's fast enough to dodge or block Legolas' arrows? Also, seeing as how he tanked getting stabbed a couple of times with a sword (through the shoulder on the highway and through the leg on the hellicarrier), I think it would take a lot of arrows to bring Ajax down unless he gets hit in an insta-kill vital area, asuming he doesn't dodge or block the arrows. Thoughts?

@xtreme1: Legolas has hit rope from several dozen feet away while riding on an elephaunt and one-shotted several fully armored urukhai while boarding down a flight of stairs.

I am gonna say if he wants to one-shot, he easily could. But it wil be more fun to drag the fight out.

@xtreme1: combination. I think Ajax is quick enough to deflect a few shots away before he gets overwhelmed. Lucky for him he doesn't feel pain. The arrows will still slow him down and do damage though. Ifhe runs out arrows Leglas can take it in close and outmatch a hindered Ajax.

Or Legolas' might land a killshot. He's accurate enough.

I modified the OP by taking away Legolas' bow. Now it's just swords against axes.

It doesn't matter how accurate you are if your opponent can perceive your projectiles in motion and dodge them. If Ajax can dodge bullets I don't understand the logic of Legolas landing shots with his arrows. Up close though he should take it, he has more skill and is more experienced, stats wise they are similar though.

I don't think he's tagging Francis with arrows...

Legolas shoots him.

But Francis is a bullet timer.

His bullet timing feat isn't very clear. I think he just moved his head, or Deadpool missed. I'm not calling it bullet timing.

Arrows Legolas shoots him...Ajax isn't a bullet timer unless you show me some DVD commentary from the director saying he is, cause All I saw was deapool miss...

Anywho with axes it's a lot more close, Ajax is stronger, but Loegolas is still more agile and skilled...I think his skills close the gap on Physicals and he cuts off Ajax's head...

Actually I just noticed Legolas only has swords. Never mind. I don't remember LotR feats.

Is that not bullet timing? Ajax moves his head out of the way of two bullets back to back toward the end of the freeway scene.

Ajax stomps.

Honestly I think he just randomly moved his head and I agree with Lukehero that Deadpool might've just missed. It's too unclear a feat.

If he moved his head doesn't it stand to reason he can perceive them in motion? And if Deadpool was off target why would he bother to move his head? It's also convenient that he moved his head twice in a row in the correct direction. The first shoot was a bit off target but the second shot would have hit him.

how is this not locked?

Why would it be?

legolas fodderizes the soap man.

Damn, Francis gets low balled a lot.

Legolas isn't fodderizing someone with superhuman physicals that can defeat Deadpool in armed combat. I think Legolas can win, or else I wouldn't have made the thread, but he's not foddering Francis.

@goodfella: Sorry I'm not sure if I understand your post correctly. You say that Francis has more experience than Legolas who should be around ~200 years old?

@lubub55: Care to elaborate?

Other way round.

Sure.

Strength:

Ajax is incredibly strong too. In his first appearance we see him effortlessly lift a grown man into the air with a single hand.

He can shove a pole through Deadpool hard enough for it to penetrate the wood beneath him.

Ajax further breaks the wooden column after Wade does by slamming his head against it.

He is even capable of bending a dense metal bar with his bare hands.

Kicks Deadpool hard enough to knock him off his feet and into a metal container.

Throws Deadpool a decent distance.

Throws Deadpool hard enough to have him break a crate and still have enough power to carry on moving.

From these it is clear that Legolas is outclassed.

Pain Tolerance/Reflexes:

Ajax has enhanced reflexes and is also completely impervious to pain.

He is able to talk normally after his motorcycle crashes and he is stabbed in the chest with the blade still sticking out.

Francis is completely fine after removing Deadpool’s katana from his leg, when we can clearly see a hole there.

Deflects a sword thrown by Deadpool with his axe.

Dodges Deadpool's shots after they've fired, making him a bullet timer. I can upload screenshots proving he moved after the bullets were fired if you like.

Ajax has much better reflexes than Legolas, and won't be hurt when stabbed by his blades. The only way Legolas can put him down is with a killing blow. Nothing else will matter.

And as for skill, Ajax beat Deadpool twice. The only reason he lost in the end was because they both took a falll and Wade recovered faster.

@goodfella: Ah ok. Yea I agree with that Francis is lowballed here and it should be a good fight, definitely not a stomp. I think that Legolas wins due to skill and experience.

@lubub55: Strenght - Legolas has defeated people with similar strengh to Ajax. With some effort but still. Bullet timing is impressive I give you that. But still Legolas is more skilled and has definitely (at least) 100 years of fighting experience more that Francis. Legolas have done much feats that Ajax can't replicate while most of Ajax skill feats (defeating Deadpool) can be replicated by Legolas.

@lubub55: Great job!

No, anyone would move their head if someone was firing bullets at them. He wouldn't have known Deadpool was off-target because he's not fast enough to figure that out and any movement he made would've been incidental. The feat is still too unclear and IIRC didn't Deadpool not want to kill him anyway? Regardless there's still room for Wade to miss.

Did Wade know it was Francis on the motorcycle? Francis was wearing a helmet with a dark visor.

That's what I wasn't sure about, although he did go through the effort of taking off the helmet later so he knew it could've been Francis at least.

I just re-watched the highway scene. Before shooting at Francis, Wade had already killed two other guys riding motorcycles with dark visors. So I think he was trying to kill whoever was riding the motorcycle.

Thanks!

@xerolot:

Strenght - Legolas has defeated people with similar strengh to Ajax. With some effort but still.

The only thing Legolas has beaten that could be argued as stronger than Ajax is the bolg, and even that isn't certain. He beat the bolg because his great agility allowed him to exploit the bolg's size and turn it against him, but that won't work here now that he's fighting somebody without exploitable size who, on top of that, has experience beating people more agile than him in Deadpool.

But still Legolas is more skilled and has definitely (at least) 100 years of fighting experience more that Francis.

Somebody being older doesn't automatically translate to them being more skilled.

Legolas have done much feats that Ajax can't replicate while most of Ajax skill feats (defeating Deadpool) can be replicated by Legolas.

Source? In terms of feats Ajax is much better. Even if I were to concede that Legolas is the more skilled fighter, they would at least be comparable in that regard and Ajax's far superior physicals would solidify his win.

@lubub55: Fair enough. Maybe he can win. But I don't see any stomp here

Ajax most likely, considering even if Legolas has the range advantage, Ajax could easily deflect the arrows and close the gap between them quickly

In CQC, I'm inclined to say Ajax because of greater strength and reflexes, but not without a good fight

Bump

Ajax still stomps.

Ajax

@lubub55:

Sorry, but I broke down your evidence of 'bullet timing' with a video editor frame by frame to see what happened first. Found out he clearly wasn't bullet timing it. It turns out it was a case of the batman 'see him getting ready, get out of the way before fire'. Let me show you the frame as camera pan to him:

For a few frames you can see him starting to duck, and then this happens:

As you can see the bullet finally instantly whiz by with bullet trail in the period of a frame or two (faster than he was moving, almost instant). So he reacted before hand, and as a result the previous aiming of DP simply missed.

So HE IS NO BULLET TIMER, and seeing the frames, I can conclusively say with the speed of the bullet compared to him - he isn't even close to the speed that bullet traveled.

Also, in regards to him deflecting that projectile thrown by deadpool, notice something: He stood still to track it. And you were saying he was going to quickly run and close the distance? If he needs to do that to accomplish that much, Legolas will pick him apart at a range. Plus his arrows travel way faster (covering distances of a couple of football fields in the Warg scene in about a second or two), and will be waay more precise. And he can fire very quickly making it even harder.

Also, yes, he can take great punishment, but many of those urakhai laughed off arrowed, and blades. Guess what? Legolas killed them anyway. He has shown to be able to aim for weak points when certain enemies surprised him by durability, and being able to react to that quickly.

Legolas has shown superhuman reflexes, strength and dexterity (the last one is just omg, aiming that well, on ropes, running on elephants, jumping rocks in the way he did towards the end of the Hobbit? - superhuman and unnatural to any normal human).

I haven't seen Legolas miss a shot - and he has an Elven bow - blessed with Elven magic. He has a cloak that can make him almost invisible - even when looking right at him. He can walk near silently, so if he has any opportunity to ambush - he can do it vs Ajax easily enough (depending on how this battle is set up). He ran almost constantly for a few days - so he has the endurance feats over Ajax, if it becomes prolonged, he should not tire and slow before Ajax.

This is without giving Legolas the total experience edge, of well over a thousand years. And skill fighting other supernatural beings, elves, the best varieties of goblins, heavily armored and highly durable - giant spiders that are freakishly quick, and powerful enough to ensnare an entire war party of dwarves - he was taking out as if they are nothing to him.

Legolas wins this, 9/10.

Just to clear something up, Legolas doesn't have his bow for this fight. He has Orcrist and his two short swords.

@xtreme1:

Didn't see the rules, just did after you said that. Still Legolas, but this time, 7/10 now. By movie feats only, but logically, I would still pick him every time.

Ajax is superior in strength. Both seem fairly close in combat speed and reflexes, but ajax might have a small advantage. Legolas is more skilled no doubt and is use to fighting stronger guys than himself. I thin klegolas can pull it off, but it will be difficult especially if he doesn't get a bow.