Fight on the moon no holding back with perfect teamwork who wins?
adam warlock hal jordan and quasar VS silver surfer vulcan and nova prime
If Quasar can keep Vulcan busy for even a few moments or even better, beat him, then Adam Warlock can one-shot both surfer and Nova prime, then punch Vulcan to death with the help from his teammates.
If Vulcan gets his hands on Warlock first, then SS beats Hal, Quasar beats rider with heavy difficulty and Vulcan drains Warlock and beats him with the help from his teammates.
Why is Nova even here?
Why not?
@apex_pretador: I disagree. Warlock is gonna stomp Vulcan, he won't make the same mistake he did the first time they met.
And Vulcan doesn't have the durability to take multiple blasts from Adam.
@jardinain2: Warlock didn't make any mistakes.. He has energy-based powers and vulcan exploited that.
Probably he doesn't but the only problem is energy manipulation, which he has used in like 90% of his fights. Even physically, Warlock was a match for Vulcan when drained completely of his powers.
Maybe you can make a case for Warlock being different from last time and a better energy manipulator than before.
Why not?
Nova doesn't have the power out put to take on any opponent & Quasar would drain regardless if he did.
Quasar has better feats than Vulcan.
Hal Jordan can lol stomp Nova over there
Adam already has a great track record against Surfer so he wins that one.
Team 1 for a relatively easy majority
Why not?
Nova doesn't have the power out put to take on any opponent & Quasar would drain regardless if he did.
Nova is resistant to draining. Hell, he is resistant to draining which drained quasar dry.
He also has a thing for taking characters way out of his league and defeat them. He is also the most physically imposing character here besides SS, including strength, speed and combat speed.
Not to mention his shields.
This is like putting a Lion with 2 cubs against 3 Hyenas.
And who would those "cubs" be?
This is like putting a Lion with 2 cubs against 3 Hyenas.
And who would those "cubs" be?
Who do ya think?
Nova is resistant to draining. Hell, he is resistant to draining which drained quasar dry.
He also has a thing for taking characters way out of his league and defeat them. He is also the most physically imposing character here besides SS, including strength, speed and combat speed.
Not to mention his shields.
Annihilus was most certainly killing Nova until World Mind manipulated the Annihilus' hive mind. So I'm not seeing any resistance on that front.
Nova couldn't damage Annihilus exoskeleton not much to impose in terms striking power. Every character on team one is more durable than Annihilus. Also aside from Adam & Vulcan, Nova has no speed advantage over any character here.
Shields won't save him from draining.
This is like putting a Lion with 2 cubs against 3 Hyenas.
And who would those "cubs" be?
Who do ya think?
Who knows except you? Warlock does seem to be the "big guy" though.
This is like putting a Lion with 2 cubs against 3 Hyenas.
And who would those "cubs" be?
Who do ya think?
Who knows except you? Warlock does seem to be the "big guy" though.
Well in my mind i was placing Surfer as the Lion. (Probably because of Bias, not sure yet) and Nova & Vulcan as the cubs, yeah i know they're not that weak but Surfer will more than likely spend most of the time defending the pair of them instead of going all out attack. If Surfer had some better teammates he wouldn't have to worry about them.
@mr_ingenuity: Quasar got drained dry pretty quickly. And rider still countered annihilus, and annihilus >>>> Quasar in draining.
Worldmind told Nova that by withdrawing physical contact he would save himself.
Nova couldn't damage Annihilus exoskeleton not much to impose in terms striking power. Every character on team one is more durable than Annihilus
Annihilus' exoskeleton survived Galactus's rage blast. You're underselling Annihilus massively.
Also aside from Adam & Vulcan, Nova has no speed advantage over any character here.
And hal and quasar.
Quasar got drained dry pretty quickly. And rider still countered annihilus, and annihilus >>>> Quasar in draining.
Cosmic Control Rod was shown to be the superior item correct but Quasar has better feats. I just wanted to point that because a blanket statement such as that seemed uninformed.
Annihilus' exoskeleton survived Galactus's rage blast. You're underselling Annihilus massively.
Nooo, the Quantum Bands tanked Galactus' blast. I can prove it if I must.
And hal and quasar.
Hal & Quasar have FTL reaction speed. While I've gleaned as much for Hal, I'm certain of it for Quasar.
Cosmic Control Rod was shown to be the superior item correct
far superior.
but Quasar has better feats. I just wanted to point that because a blanket statement such as that seemed uninformed
I misremembered
Nooo, the Quantum Bands tanked Galactus' blast. I can prove it if I must
You can prove that quantum bands alone allowed annihilus to tank a galaxy buster?
What was the speed they reacted to? Because "FTL reaction speed is a blanket statement in and of itself.
Hal & Quasar have FTL reaction speed. While I've gleaned as much for Hal, I'm certain of it for Quasar.
What was the speed they reacted to? Because "FTL reaction speed is a blanket statement in and of itself.
Quasar has caught makkari who's lightspeed or FTL. I don't remember much else.
Hal & Quasar have FTL reaction speed. While I've gleaned as much for Hal, I'm certain of it for Quasar.
What was the speed they reacted to? Because "FTL reaction speed is a blanket statement in and of itself.
Quasar has caught makkari who's lightspeed or FTL. I don't remember much else.
Ok, that doesn't the question though.
What speed was Makkari doing when Quasar caught him?
Because Quasar's reactions may only be.....10x FTL (I'm not saying they are, I'm just using it as an example).
So to say that Quasar reacts to the likes of Silver Surfer because he has FTL reflexes is wrong.
@citizensentry: I'm not a quasar expert.
I'd leave that to @krleavenger
@apex_pretador: I've just finished reading Mr. Ingenuity's CAV in which he uses Quasar so he should be able to answer the question.
@apex_pretador: @citizensentry: At the time Quasar fought Makkari, Makkari was light speed at best. When he was running, he wasn't even going his top speed because Quasar's blasts tagged him (and Quasar's blasts are light speed). Considering the fact that his traveling speed was light speed at the time and he wasn't even traveling that fast, I doubt he was running around Quasar with that level of speed, and even then, Makkari was running around him and it took Quasar some time to actually stop him, and Makkari didn't really seem to care that much.
Overall, Quasar has pretty good traveling speed (although not as nearly as good as Silver Surfer's) and he may have one or two feats where he reacted in span of nanoseconds (I could be wrong, and to be honest, I doubt it was legit). Wendell can manipulate and track energy in span of nanoseconds which is good for his ow abilities but not actual combat.
His showing with Makkari is not as nearly as impressive as it looks. Maybe Wendell showed FTL reaction but I don't remember him doing so.
You can prove that quantum bands alone allowed annihilus to tank a galaxy buster?
Galactus was drained, although the on panel feat we see his blast destroy three star systems, "and does not slow!"
Phyla-Vell stated the bands protect Annihilus, & Nova stated the bands fueled Annihilus because surviving Galactus drained him.
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What was the speed they reacted to? Because "FTL reaction speed is a blanket statement in and of itself.
Quasar react to and tanks the solar flare that destroys earth & the moon. Then tanks the nova that finises off the solar system.
He also caught the living laser who was trying to escape him.
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Solar flares aren't light speed they travel at best 1000 miles per second or 0.005% the speed of light.
I'm not interested in talking about durability right now, so i'll ignore those scans for now.
Okay, but how fast is the living laser?
Quasar has better feats than Vulcan.
Hal Jordan can lol stomp Nova over there
Adam already has a great track record against Surfer so he wins that one.
Team 1 for a relatively easy majority
This
@mr_ingenuity: It was indeed a Galaxy-buster
Hal & Quasar have FTL reaction speed. While I've gleaned as much for Hal, I'm certain of it for Quasar.
What was the speed they reacted to? Because "FTL reaction speed is a blanket statement in and of itself.
Well people have already showed what Quasar can do. But Hal has been able to fight from the Moon to Saturn in a short space of time.
I can do a rough calc to give you an exact number.
Hal & Quasar have FTL reaction speed. While I've gleaned as much for Hal, I'm certain of it for Quasar.
What was the speed they reacted to? Because "FTL reaction speed is a blanket statement in and of itself.
Well people have already showed what Quasar can do. But Hal has been able to fight from the Moon to Saturn in a short space of time.
I can do a rough calc to give you an exact number.
If Green Lantern reached Saturn in 15 seconds (me being generous) he would have to be going 316x FTL. Which is still nothing compared to Silver Surfer. I'm starting to doubt that neither Quasar or GL tag him let alone beat him.
Solar flares aren't light speed they travel at best 1000 miles per second or 0.005% the speed of light.
I guess you're right. Although I would assume a solar flare that encompass the orbit of earth would be much faster if the sun were pulled apart as in the scans.
Okay, but how fast is the living laser?
Light speed of course being in space.
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@mr_ingenuity: So i ask my question again, If Quasar is only capable of reacting to characters that are lightspeed, how is he reacting to someone who can travel at 470,000x FTL?
So i ask my question again, If Quasar is only capable of reacting to characters that are lightspeed, how is he reacting to someone who can travel at 470,000x FTL?
I assume you are referring to a cal which I have no interest in debating. However if you still doubt Quasar FTL reaction time he does have a nanosecond reaction feat.
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@citizensentry: Also just to make it clear I'm not debating a winner. I'm defending my position on Nova Prime being too low tier for this debate.
It was indeed a Galaxy-buster
Not seeing it, It states the galaxy wiped clean. That doesn't allude to an entire galaxy destruction. Obliterated would but that only refers to the annihilation wave which spanned star systems.
So i ask my question again, If Quasar is only capable of reacting to characters that are lightspeed, how is he reacting to someone who can travel at 470,000x FTL?
I assume you are referring to a cal which I have no interest in debating. However if you still doubt Quasar FTL reaction time he does have a nanosecond reaction feat.
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Why didn't you open with that lol?
@citizensentry: Because it's the most common cited feat for Quasar, while heavily debate is generally accepted & widely known.
Also I feel as if I'm above posting the same feats every thread so I use lesser known feats.
@emperorthanos: Not really all that impressive TBH in combat speed. They fight while flying fast. Same as fighting in a spaceship going 100x FTL or something like that.
@apex_pretador: that is still FTL combat speed. They are able to throw punches and fire balsts while reacting to them. All at FTL speeds.
Hal & Quasar have FTL reaction speed. While I've gleaned as much for Hal, I'm certain of it for Quasar.
What was the speed they reacted to? Because "FTL reaction speed is a blanket statement in and of itself.
Well people have already showed what Quasar can do. But Hal has been able to fight from the Moon to Saturn in a short space of time.
I can do a rough calc to give you an exact number.
If Green Lantern reached Saturn in 15 seconds (me being generous) he would have to be going 316x FTL. Which is still nothing compared to Silver Surfer. I'm starting to doubt that neither Quasar or GL tag him let alone beat him.
I was just discussing Hal vs Nova. Since someone said Hal would get blitz by him.
That said i dont recall Silver Surfer having any combat feats far greater than that.
@apex_pretador: that is still FTL combat speed. They are able to throw punches and fire balsts while reacting to them. All at FTL speeds.
I agree with you to some extent. Nova has a similar feat & that's the only concrete FTL fight he has considering Norrin blitzed him, so not much of a fight there.
@apex_pretador: that is still FTL combat speed. They are able to throw punches and fire balsts while reacting to them. All at FTL speeds.
I agree with you to some extent. Nova has a similar feat & that's the only concrete FTL fight he has considering Norrin blitzed him, so not much of a fight their.
Yeah nova doesnt have any better. Though i can bring up more feats for Hal. However it requres a degree of scaling.
That said i dont recall Silver Surfer having any combat feats far greater than that.
I recommend reading the fight between Silver Surfer & God Cable.
As well as Silver Surfer vs. Beta Ray Bill (In which they fight in hyperspace.
But the best feat i can think of (just off the top of my head) Is when he fought his clone. The black/grey circles are planets and as you can quite clearly tell thy are travelling at much faster speeds thatn light.
@mr_ingenuity: Some users need to grow some balls and tag the users they're quite obviously directing their post towards.
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