Abraxas and Mad Jim Jaspers vs Korvac and Dark Phoenix
"King Saturn said:Ah I See. Well indeed the power between them all could destroy several Galaxies..."Any Specific reason why Team One wins ? "....i dunno. I'm just guessing. Besides, watching these guys fight will probebly destroy a galaxy.
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I will go with Team Two, though I know that Mad Jim Jaspers has immense reality manipulation abilities, the power of the Dark Phoenix can not be discounted as more superior and encompassing than Team One. In the latest comic book that I read, The Foursaken, Jim Jaspers can not go beyond the powers opposite of the Phoenix as represented by the 1st Forsaken.
I read also within the thread that the power of these individuals can destroy several galaxies while it is true for the three, the power of the Phoenix can destroy all existence and all galaxies if it wished to.
"I will go with Team Two, though I know that Mad Jim Jaspers has immense reality manipulation abilities, the power of the Dark Phoenix can not be discounted as more superior and encompassing than Team One. In the latest comic book that I read, The Foursaken, Jim Jaspers can not go beyond the powers opposite of the Phoenix as represented by the 1st Forsaken.Is there a difference between White Pheonix and Dark Pheonix? I thought that White Pheonix of The Crown was the one who destroyed all existence and galaxies.
I read also within the thread that the power of these individuals can destroy several galaxies while it is true for the three, the power of the Phoenix can destroy all existence and all galaxies if it wished to.
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"IcePrince_X said:Yeah white crown pheonix is the stronger version."I will go with Team Two, though I know that Mad Jim Jaspers has immense reality manipulation abilities, the power of the Dark Phoenix can not be discounted as more superior and encompassing than Team One. In the latest comic book that I read, The Foursaken, Jim Jaspers can not go beyond the powers opposite of the Phoenix as represented by the 1st Forsaken.Is there a difference between White Pheonix and Dark Pheonix? I thought that White Pheonix of The Crown was the one who destroyed all existence and galaxies.
I read also within the thread that the power of these individuals can destroy several galaxies while it is true for the three, the power of the Phoenix can destroy all existence and all galaxies if it wished to.
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"I think team one wins because of Mad Jim Jaspers.
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I'll put Abraxas above Jaspers. The Celestials could probably beat Jaspers because I know they encountered reality manipulators before, and knows how to deal with him. One name that comes to mind is Franklin Richards. Where Abraxas falls into this is that he's the abstract of destruction and the natural order of things in Marvel is abstracts > celestials.
"Strange Doctor said:There are a lot of reality warpers more powerful than Celestials."I think team one wins because of Mad Jim Jaspers.
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I'll put Abraxas above Jaspers. The Celestials could probably beat Jaspers because I know they encountered reality manipulators before, and knows how to deal with him. One name that comes to mind is Franklin Richards. Where Abraxas falls into this is that he's the abstract of destruction and the natural order of things in Marvel is abstracts > celestials.
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"Bart Simpson said:"Strange Doctor said:There are a lot of reality warpers more powerful than Celestials."I think team one wins because of Mad Jim Jaspers.
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I'll put Abraxas above Jaspers. The Celestials could probably beat Jaspers because I know they encountered reality manipulators before, and knows how to deal with him. One name that comes to mind is Franklin Richards. Where Abraxas falls into this is that he's the abstract of destruction and the natural order of things in Marvel is abstracts > celestials.
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Name one that has beaten them.
"Strange Doctor said:"Bart Simpson said:"Strange Doctor said:There are a lot of reality warpers more powerful than Celestials."I think team one wins because of Mad Jim Jaspers.
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I'll put Abraxas above Jaspers. The Celestials could probably beat Jaspers because I know they encountered reality manipulators before, and knows how to deal with him. One name that comes to mind is Franklin Richards. Where Abraxas falls into this is that he's the abstract of destruction and the natural order of things in Marvel is abstracts > celestials.
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Name one that has beaten them.
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The Beyonder stomped a whole planet of them.
Abraxas and Jaspers ftw. Abraxas can destroy whole Universes just by approahing them and MJJ was well on his way to blanking out then entire omniverse.
"Bart Simpson said:"Strange Doctor said:"Bart Simpson said:"Strange Doctor said:There are a lot of reality warpers more powerful than Celestials."I think team one wins because of Mad Jim Jaspers.
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I'll put Abraxas above Jaspers. The Celestials could probably beat Jaspers because I know they encountered reality manipulators before, and knows how to deal with him. One name that comes to mind is Franklin Richards. Where Abraxas falls into this is that he's the abstract of destruction and the natural order of things in Marvel is abstracts > celestials.
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Name one that has beaten them.
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The Beyonder stomped a whole planet of them.
Abraxas and Jaspers ftw. Abraxas can destroy whole Universes just by approahing them and MJJ was well on his way to blanking out then entire omniverse."
Beyonder was more than a reality manipulator though. He was an all powerful entity that came from beyond Marvel. MJJ wasn't going to blank out anything. The fear with him was that he was going to mess things up similar to how his 238 counterpart messed up 238 Earth. And no he was quite a long way from affecting the entire omniverse.
Though there's something that always cracks me up about those three. Beyonder has uncanny similarities to Donny Osmond. Infact I'm certain Secret Wars 2 Beyonder was Donny Osmond. Abraxas reminds me of those toga wearing members of Animal House. He even comes with the same destructive hooligan like nature of them. And Mad Jim Jaspers was based off of a British comedian named Terry Thomas. He was most famous for a film called It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World incase anyone's wondering. Simpsons did a skit of it in the Cat Burglar episode. Together all three of wrecks Havoc on Marvel.
It was shown on panel that MJJ was going to blank out the Universe.
If Beyonder wasn't a reality warper, what was he? He was a infinitly powerful reality warper, that's what he was!
"Reality isn't real to me. Everything is what I say it is"
"My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable"
"I who utterly dictate all reality"
"As long as I conceive of things, they exsist, in a fashion, because my thoughts equal reality"
"It was shown on panel that MJJ was going to blank out the Universe.
If Beyonder wasn't a reality warper, what was he? He was a infinitly powerful reality warper, that's what he was!
"Reality isn't real to me. Everything is what I say it is"
"My imagination and reality are virtually indistinguishable"
"I who utterly dictate all reality"
"As long as I conceive of things, they exsist, in a fashion, because my thoughts equal reality""
When was it shown MJJ was going to blank out the Universe?
"This version of Jaspers. Is too powerful, too dangerous. His counterpart could at least be halted, even if it meant destroying his entire continuum. This one is not so easily containable. And if he cannot be defeated, then the omniverse shall fall into chaos, and a new and hostile god shall play dice with matter."
Beyonder was more than just a reality warper. He was suppose to be his own universe.
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These are scans of Elizabeth Braddock being shown what WILL happen if MJJ isn't stopped. Note the last image showing the Omniverse being cancelled.
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This scan is Merlyn telling Captain Britain that if MJJ isn't stopped he will essentially cancel out the omniverse and recreate it in his image.
Is there anyway to enlarge the first three images? I've never seen those ones before. The text is too small. I'm able to read the text on the last image, but it featured the text that ironically I used to argue that he wasn't going to cancel out everything. It states that the omniverse shall fall into chaos, and a new hostile god shall play dice with matter. Which sounds like an extended version of the what he did when he unleashed the Jaspers warp onto London. By the way, can you post the scan of the 616 Jaspers warp? I saw a picture of it in a bio of 616 Jaspers and it looked pretty cool. I did saw the big blackout in the third image just to let you know. I just want to know what the text says.
Anyways always thought the whole Jaspers affair was about him spreading his Jaspers warp and madness onto other timestreams since that's the reason they scrapped 238. Never thought he was actually going to wipe out anything since that's how he got killed. Infact that's how both Jaspers got killed. The original 238 guy died with his universe when it went up. The more powerful 616 guy died when it turned out he was powerless without a universe or reality to manipulate.
Yes indeed. 616 Jaspers was killed by his own, personal plot device, the Fury. Transported him to Unspace.
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The first one was big enough to read. The 2nd and 3rd weren't, so I resized them. Better?
The first 3 images clearly state he was on his way to blanking out the omniverse. You're right about the 4th one. It's kind of vague. Makes it seem like he's rewriting the omniverse as opposed to recreating it.
A bit ironic you say the first text is the most readable, that's the one I had the most trouble reading. Though I was able to read the other ones better. Are you able to post those scans on the actual imageshack site? Because then I'll be able to zoom in. The fourth image is a bit inspiring and at the same time funny. After all the talk about how big a potential threat the prime minister is it ends with "This is the moment you were created for." Giving inspiration for Captain Britain to face off with Jaspers. But at the same time you can't help but wonder does Merlyn really expect Brian to find a way to beat Jaspers? By the way if you have the scan of 616 Jaspers warp can you post it? I saw plenty of scans of the 238 version and was disappointed that it wasn't as cool as I expected. The 616 version was the one that I thought was awesome.
Here ya go. My Imageshack folder is public so feel free to check it out. I'm not finished uploading all my images so it's kind small right now.
Team 1.
Abraxas is like multiple-Galactus. He can destroy many universes.
MJJ can destroy universe.
Korvac probably can destroy universe.
Dark Pheonix is the weakest Pheonix (I think). She can destroy a sun, but I doubt that she can destroy even ( :P ) a galaxy.
DP is nothing for Abraxas or MJJ. Korvac maybe can win with MJJ, but not with Abraxas.
This is curbstomp for Team one.
" I was gonna say the universe but a universe houses billions of uncountable galaxies. And that kind of feat is...only what a god could do, or atleast something thats close to a god. "
"@Hedatary said:Actually a universe is so large and so close to flatness that it eventually curves in on itself forming a hypersphere. "" I was gonna say the universe but a universe houses billions of uncountable galaxies. And that kind of feat is...only what a god could do, or atleast something thats close to a god. "
"@Dreadnaught said:The universe is not flat or even close to flat. ""@Hedatary said:Actually a universe is so large and so close to flatness that it eventually curves in on itself forming a hypersphere. "" I was gonna say the universe but a universe houses billions of uncountable galaxies. And that kind of feat is...only what a god could do, or atleast something thats close to a god. "
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