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#1 Edited by blastaar (159 posts) - - Show Bio

Who is better at hand-to-hand combat? Batman or Deathstroke?

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#2 Posted by thejman251 (437 posts) - - Show Bio

- Define "better"?

- If this is a battle you're speaking about, i'm sure that Slade would beat Bruce.

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#3 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (9007 posts) - - Show Bio

I say they're equal Slade was already a master of martial arts and he got even better when Natas trained him. It's just that DS is enhanced so he tips the scale, kinda like Superman and Captain Marvel.

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#4 Posted by Moon_Bat_87 (727 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade is superior physically and one could argue maybe better in terms of in combat strategy. Also it really depends on what outfit Slade is wearing. I am assuming gadgets and weapons are not included in this discussion. In strict hand to hand combat, wearing clothing that has no protective value at all Slade is superior just based off of known powers/abilities.

Now if we go based on known fights and scans, and this is where thejman251 and I are going to disagree (because of PIS/CIS/WIS), but I would say Batman is only slightly better. Even in the fights that Batman has lost against Slade, he severely injured him. So unless I am absolutely mistaken and there is some clear fight somewhere that Slade utterly crushes Batman, I am going to have to give this one to Batman.

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#5 Posted by KnightRise (4811 posts) - - Show Bio

@moon_bat_87 said:

Even in the fights that Batman has lost against Slade, he severely injured him

This.

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#6 Edited by MasterDetective (1430 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade

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#7 Posted by ThanosIsMad (2417 posts) - - Show Bio

They should really be roughly equal in skill, but Deathstroke is superhuman while Batman is not.

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#8 Posted by Black_Arrow (7722 posts) - - Show Bio

batman is more skilled

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#9 Posted by RustyRoy (16019 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is slightly better in H2h IMO but Slade has superior reflexes, speed and strength which gives him the edge.

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#10 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (18985 posts) - - Show Bio

Better Figther dont mean better martial artist, people confuse this thing.

Deathstroke is a better fighter .

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#11 Posted by God_Spawn (40428 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is the more skilled h2h combatant as Slade has pretty said he wouldn't want to fight Bruce without his enhancements and in terms of overall showings, Bruce has the better variety of attacks. Slade would beat him because while indeed a skilled fighter,it's enhancements coupled with said skill that give him the edge.

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#12 Posted by UncleEmu (197 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke

1) Deathstroke has all the advantages of being superhuman.

2) He is a superior tactician and arguably has better field experience than Batman

3) uses swords and sometimes guns

Batman

1) Batman relies on stealth which can counteract Deathstroke's strategy

2) Batman knows more fighting styles, but that doesn't make him the better fighter in this situation as Deathstroke is extremely well trained

3) relies heavily on gadgets

Conlusion

Deathstroke has the obvious advantage in combat. However, Batman can even it to a stalemate with the use of gadgets. PIS will disagree however

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#13 Posted by WastelandMan (6475 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is the more skilled h2h combatant as Slade has pretty said he wouldn't want to fight Bruce without his enhancements and in terms of overall showings, Bruce has the better variety of attacks. Slade would beat him because while indeed a skilled fighter,it's enhancements coupled with said skill that give him the edge.

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#14 Posted by Stronger (5051 posts) - - Show Bio

While Bruce is more skilled than him,Slade is a better overall fighter.He is stronger,faster and more durable.

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#15 Posted by JJ62 (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

Stroke is a better fighter.

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#16 Edited by Eeshaan1685 (3517 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade Wilson without a doubt.

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#17 Edited by bj365 (41 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman totally wins; what part of physical and mental perfection don't you guys understand!!!!

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#18 Posted by lilben42 (2702 posts) - - Show Bio

@bj365: This isn't a battle and Batman has more skill but in a fight. He loses.

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#19 Posted by Dernman (21758 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman but Slade would win in a fight because he's physically superior.

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#20 Edited by Alak (999 posts) - - Show Bio

From a technical standpoint, Batman is more skilled due to his knowledge on a wider variety of fighting styles as well as his life long practice of them. With that being said, Deathstroke is the better fighter since his physicality is in a whole different level above Batman's. He was trained to be a soldier, then he was trained to be an assassin. Combine those traits with a superhuman physique, and you have someone that no regular street level hero can take down.

I think for people to better answer the OP's question, ask yourselves this: which one would you rather fight in a cage match? The guy you don't pick is probably the better fighter.

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#21 Posted by CalebHara (2421 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is most definitely the superior hand-to-hand combatant. That's hardly even debatable.

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" I have fought the best, Batman was better."

"I'll be feeling his blows long after the flesh mends."

"I'd hate to go against him if my strength hand't been increased."

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#22 Posted by Bruxae (18147 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke!

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#23 Posted by Nerx (15351 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade Wilson is made better and he roids out

Batman is McDojang

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#24 Posted by Arkhamc1tizen (2319 posts) - - Show Bio

batman

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#25 Edited by Moon_Bat_87 (727 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is most definitely the superior hand-to-hand combatant. That's hardly even debatable.

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" I have fought the best, Batman was better."

"I'll be feeling his blows long after the flesh mends."

"I'd hate to go against him if my strength hand't been increased."

This!

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#26 Edited by SliverBat (61 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman has more overall skill, Deathstroke is more physically fit and can withstand more.

Batman would win but it's not like he'll kick his ass or anything especially if Slade has all of his advancements, Batman would leave in pain.

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#27 Posted by k4tzm4n (40013 posts) - - Show Bio

I've always viewed it as Wayne's more skilled (though that's hardly insulting Slade's talents), but Slade's raw physicals and tactics overcome.

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#28 Posted by thejman251 (437 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara said:

Batman is most definitely the superior hand-to-hand combatant. That's hardly even debatable.

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" I have fought the best, Batman was better."

"I'll be feeling his blows long after the flesh mends."

"I'd hate to go against him if my strength hand't been increased."

This!

- Now weren't you the one who said that we couldn't take the character's statements of facts and that we had to consider feats as well?

- Isn't this a bit hypocritical of you?

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#29 Posted by GeekyEverAfter (421 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm? I don't know, they're both highly skilled at hand-to-hand combat .

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#30 Posted by Moon_Bat_87 (727 posts) - - Show Bio

- Now weren't you the one who said that we couldn't take the character's statements of facts and that we had to consider feats as well?

- Isn't this a bit hypocritical of you?

Yes. I did say that. But I meant that a characters statement cannot be taken alone. It must be backed up by feat evidence as you say. And so it is not hypocritical of me because the scans from that fight and the scans following provide support for Slade's statements.

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#31 Posted by Ciriel (414 posts) - - Show Bio

In theory: Batman. He knows many more styles, but I assume he chooses not to apply them.

In combat: Deathstroke.

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#32 Edited by thejman251 (437 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

- Now weren't you the one who said that we couldn't take the character's statements of facts and that we had to consider feats as well?

- Isn't this a bit hypocritical of you?

Yes. I did say that. But I meant that a characters statement cannot be taken alone. It must be backed up by feat evidence as you say. And so it is not hypocritical of me because the scans from that fight and the scans following provide support for Slade's statements.

- Really, so Slade beating Bruce provides support for Slade's statements?

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#33 Posted by Moon_Bat_87 (727 posts) - - Show Bio

@moon_bat_87 said:

@thejman251 said:

- Now weren't you the one who said that we couldn't take the character's statements of facts and that we had to consider feats as well?

- Isn't this a bit hypocritical of you?

Yes. I did say that. But I meant that a characters statement cannot be taken alone. It must be backed up by feat evidence as you say. And so it is not hypocritical of me because the scans from that fight and the scans following provide support for Slade's statements.

- Really, so Slade beating Bruce provides support for Slade's statements?

Yes because Slade was the one feeling the hurt afterwords....

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#34 Posted by CalebHara (2421 posts) - - Show Bio

@moon_bat_87: Well, Batman was KO'd. I'm pretty sure he was feeling the hurt more than Slade was. It is that fact that he stated that he would have hated to face Batman without his enhancements that would lead me to believe that Batman is simply a superior combatant. He stated in fight, while he had the upper hand that he was winning because of his enhancements.

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#35 Edited by Moon_Bat_87 (727 posts) - - Show Bio

@moon_bat_87: Well, Batman was KO'd. I'm pretty sure he was feeling the hurt more than Slade was. It is that fact that he stated that he would have hated to face Batman without his enhancements that would lead me to believe that Batman is simply a superior combatant. He stated in fight, while he had the upper hand that he was winning because of his enhancements.

I can agree with that.

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#36 Posted by thejman1990 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251 said:

@moon_bat_87 said:

@thejman251 said:

- Now weren't you the one who said that we couldn't take the character's statements of facts and that we had to consider feats as well?

- Isn't this a bit hypocritical of you?

Yes. I did say that. But I meant that a characters statement cannot be taken alone. It must be backed up by feat evidence as you say. And so it is not hypocritical of me because the scans from that fight and the scans following provide support for Slade's statements.

- Really, so Slade beating Bruce provides support for Slade's statements?

Yes because Slade was the one feeling the hurt afterwords....

- Implying that Bruce wasn't feeling hurt? Right.

@moon_bat_87: Well, Batman was KO'd. I'm pretty sure he was feeling the hurt more than Slade was. It is that fact that he stated that he would have hated to face Batman without his enhancements that would lead me to believe that Batman is simply a superior combatant. He stated in fight, while he had the upper hand that he was winning because of his enhancements.

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- He also stated that he's been trained to kill and not simply to fight.

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#37 Posted by Moon_Bat_87 (727 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman1990:

No I did not imply or suggest that Bruce was not hurt. See my comments above yours.

And why are you posting with an alternative username?

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#38 Posted by leopryor (398 posts) - - Show Bio

In terms of who's the better combatant? I say they're equal. Batman has the edge in knowing more fighting styles, but Slade has the advantage in superior physicality. In my opinion, Bruce's broader martial arts knowledge and Slade's enhanced physiology balance out each other.

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#39 Posted by Butros (132 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say that if Batman is 10 in skill,DS is 8/9,while if DS is in overall stats 10 then Batman is 7.

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#40 Posted by NthMetalWarrior (165 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman is superior in skills, but he lacks the enhancements of deathstroke. It would be a better debate if ds is depowered and compared in terms of technique and skill

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#41 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (5660 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce.

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#42 Posted by Bat_Girl_CC (5660 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

I've always viewed it as Wayne's more skilled (though that's hardly insulting Slade's talents), but Slade's raw physicals and tactics overcome.

This.

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#43 Posted by Agiyosi (40 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:

I've always viewed it as Wayne's more skilled (though that's hardly insulting Slade's talents), but Slade's raw physicals and tactics overcome.

This.

Agreed.

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#44 Posted by Batman1130 (1464 posts) - - Show Bio

Purely martial arts wise- batman, but Slade's stats make up for any martial arts advantage batman has. I still say batman though

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#45 Posted by Dcmarveljoseph (211 posts) - - Show Bio

Skill wise- batman knows 127 forms of martial arts

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#47 Edited by mrbrand (7 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman all the way !!!

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#48 Posted by mynameiswally (82 posts) - - Show Bio

-without deathstrokes enhancements i think batman would win. he has fought lady shiva to a stalemate and even beaten her once.

-with his enhancements i think deathstroke would have more chances of winning but i'm not sure.