Eddie Brock bonded with the dark alien symbiote after it was discarded by Spider-Man, becoming the first Venom. Later, Brock became Anti-Venom, but the symbiote was lost during the events of Spider-Island. Brock has also been forcibly bonded to the Toxin Symbiote by the Crime-Master, but has reluctantly given it up to stop Carnage. Recently he has re-bonded with Venom.
It shouldn't be, imo. Aside from the fact that the characterizations were all horrifically off, it doesn't use the cancer angle (the canon cancer angle). I mean, we've had stories with Eddie in the hospital, being cured, becoming Anti-Venom.... so why is Dark Origin being used as the origin here?
HA! No, but seriously. Its like if I edited Deadpool's wiki and used Daniel Way's flashbacks from when he fought Ghost Rider as his origin and said there was no other origin. (which I believe were inaccurate, correct?).
" It shouldn't be, imo. Aside from the fact that the characterizations were all horrifically off, it doesn't use the cancer angle (the canon cancer angle). I mean, we've had stories with Eddie in the hospital, being cured, becoming Anti-Venom.... so why is Dark Origin being used as the origin here? "
You mean...you want that stupid cancer angle to be canonically?
" It shouldn't be, imo. Aside from the fact that the characterizations were all horrifically off, it doesn't use the cancer angle (the canon cancer angle). I mean, we've had stories with Eddie in the hospital, being cured, becoming Anti-Venom.... so why is Dark Origin being used as the origin here? "
If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome.
Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful).
Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome. Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful). "
Oh, oh! Finally got and read Hush. Absolutely amazing!
:O BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! It was great! The comic, not the movie, haven't actually seen it yet, but haven't heard anything good about it.
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions.
" It shouldn't be, imo. Aside from the fact that the characterizations were all horrifically off, it doesn't use the cancer angle (the canon cancer angle). I mean, we've had stories with Eddie in the hospital, being cured, becoming Anti-Venom.... so why is Dark Origin being used as the origin here? "
You mean...you want that stupid cancer angle to be canonically? "I hate you Spider-Man...because I have cancer." "..." "
Its not that I want it, its just that it IS canon. And 'Dark Origin' is so f**king terrible (and out of character, character designs wrong, origins screwed over). It doesn't mention the canon cancer, therefore, it is non-canon. Eddie is not a sociopath.
What makes it worse is that 'NEW WAYS TO DIE' was running at the same time, and it had Eddie as a genuinely good guy with really f**ked up problems. I'd prefer the screwed up good guy over the Topher Grace clone, any day.
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed? I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing. Hate retcons.
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing. Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at.
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing. Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
So it was re-retconned. Happens all the time. We can't ignore it just because you don't like it.
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing. Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
I read Dark Origin. Can't remember much about it. Wasn't real impressed. Eddie always seemed a bit of a @ss hole to me though. Maybe survinving cancer changed him but even in new ways to die he didn't seem completely emotionally stable.
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing. Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
So it was re-retconned. Happens all the time. We can't ignore it just because you don't like it. "
I can ignore :D I'm currently ignoring various elemnts of Superman too. The fact Clark was Superbiy again, he grew up with Lex and freeze breath for example. Totally ignoring 'em allbecause they're dumb
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing. Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
So it was re-retconned. Happens all the time. We can't ignore it just because you don't like it. "
Anti-Venom, Eddie's current form, can't exist without the cancer. Therefore, Dark Origin is non canon.
" Didn't the cancer thing come way after Venoms first appearance? Relatively recently infact. Dark Origin was an update t omove things inline with BND from what I understood. "
No, the cancer was something Eddie ALWAYS HAD, it was just recently revealed is all. He had cancer, and the odd mix of adrenaline it made attracted the symbiote along with his negative emotions. "
So the cancer was retconned into always being there? Why was needed?I choose to ignore that sort of weak writing. Hate retcons. "
It wasn't, but it happened. That's the point. Dark Origin ignores it (and also it gets everyone out of character). Dark Origin should not be canon and used in this wiki, is what I'm getting at. "
So it was re-retconned. Happens all the time. We can't ignore it just because you don't like it. "
Anti-Venom, Eddie's current form, can't exist without the cancer. Therefore, Dark Origin is non canon. "
I don't reckon Anti-Venom will be around for long more. With out a Venom no need for an Anti-Venom.
" @InnerVenom123: Gargan won't be Venom, but there's probably gonna be a new host. "
I'd suggest Eddie. Did Eddie know himself he had cancer way back when he first encountered the simbiote? That'd explain why it's not in Dark Origin and why he never mentioned it untill the dumb retcon. The Cancer first came in the Mark Millar series, right? I don't remember it being retconned as always being there back at that time. I might be wrong though.
@Gylan Thomas: Eddie doesn't want the symbiote. Making it go back is a pipe dream, it would undo all the great characterization Eddie's gotten recently.
Eddie knew he had cancer, its why he focused on his work so much, he was trying to do something with his life (also to impress his dad, as always). (At least, from what I remember. But I know he knew he had it.)
" @Gylan Thomas: Eddie doesn't want the symbiote. Making it go back is a pipe dream, it would undo all the great characterization Eddie's gotten recently.
Eddie knew he had cancer, its why he focused on his work so much, he was trying to do something with his life (also to impress his dad, as always). (At least, from what I remember. But I know he knew he had it.) "
I'm sure a writer couldcome up with some way to get Eddie back in black. Kinda lame the cancer thing was a total retcon though.
" @Gylan Thomas: There's no point in giving it back to Eddie. Yup. But its canon :P "
Doesn't mean we have to like it :P
They often do stuff to the characters we like that seems pointless. Eddie was the first Venom and a lot of people liked him best as Venom. Making him Venom again would mean sales.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome. Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful). "
Oh, oh! Finally got and read Hush. Absolutely amazing! :O BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! It was great! The comic, not the movie, haven't actually seen it yet, but haven't heard anything good about it. "
Haha! Yes! Hush is my favourite comic book ever. It may not be the best, but it's still my favourite :D
I thought Batman was way too hard on Supes in S/B:SG. If anyone in the DCU understands the need to have a family, it's Bruce Wayne. Loeb focused too much on his paranoid side.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome. Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful). "
Oh, oh! Finally got and read Hush. Absolutely amazing! :O BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! It was great! The comic, not the movie, haven't actually seen it yet, but haven't heard anything good about it. "
Haha! Yes! Hush is my favourite comic book ever. It may not be the best, but it's still my favourite :D I thought Batman was way too hard on Supes in S/B:SG. If anyone in the DCU understands the need to have a family, it's Bruce Wayne. Loeb focused too much on his paranoid side. "
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that I knew who Hush was didn't hinder the story at all. LOVED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome. Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful). "
Oh, oh! Finally got and read Hush. Absolutely amazing! :O BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! It was great! The comic, not the movie, haven't actually seen it yet, but haven't heard anything good about it. "
Haha! Yes! Hush is my favourite comic book ever. It may not be the best, but it's still my favourite :D I thought Batman was way too hard on Supes in S/B:SG. If anyone in the DCU understands the need to have a family, it's Bruce Wayne. Loeb focused too much on his paranoid side. "
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that I knew who Hush was didn't hinder the story at all. LOVED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eh. I suppose so. xP "
Heh heh, well I'm an insane Batman fan, so if I think he's out of character, it hinders the story greatly for me :P
The movie is really bad though. It hampered my enjoyment of the comic. Supergirl gets hit with Omega Beams something like 11 times and keeps fighting :|
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome. Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful). "
Oh, oh! Finally got and read Hush. Absolutely amazing! :O BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! It was great! The comic, not the movie, haven't actually seen it yet, but haven't heard anything good about it. "
Haha! Yes! Hush is my favourite comic book ever. It may not be the best, but it's still my favourite :D I thought Batman was way too hard on Supes in S/B:SG. If anyone in the DCU understands the need to have a family, it's Bruce Wayne. Loeb focused too much on his paranoid side. "
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that I knew who Hush was didn't hinder the story at all. LOVED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eh. I suppose so. xP "
Heh heh, well I'm an insane Batman fan, so if I think he's out of character, it hinders the story greatly for me :P The movie is really bad though. It hampered my enjoyment of the comic. Supergirl gets hit with Omega Beams something like 11 times and keeps fighting :| "
I can understand and sympathize with that.
O_O You are $#itting me. That's effing ridiculous.
I'd much rather not have The Beyonder's hideous retcon be acknowledged as cannon also but i just guess the powers that be just do go a little insane sometimes.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome. Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful). "
Oh, oh! Finally got and read Hush. Absolutely amazing! :O BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! It was great! The comic, not the movie, haven't actually seen it yet, but haven't heard anything good about it. "
Haha! Yes! Hush is my favourite comic book ever. It may not be the best, but it's still my favourite :D I thought Batman was way too hard on Supes in S/B:SG. If anyone in the DCU understands the need to have a family, it's Bruce Wayne. Loeb focused too much on his paranoid side. "
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that I knew who Hush was didn't hinder the story at all. LOVED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eh. I suppose so. xP "
Heh heh, well I'm an insane Batman fan, so if I think he's out of character, it hinders the story greatly for me :P The movie is really bad though. It hampered my enjoyment of the comic. Supergirl gets hit with Omega Beams something like 11 times and keeps fighting :| "
I can understand and sympathize with that. O_O You are $#itting me. That's effing ridiculous. "
I know. It was just wrong. On top of that, Superman feels remorse for frying the DD clones (despite having killed multiple clones before that). WTF? There is no faux-death for Kara, Darkseid just leaves because he's scared of Clark and Kara (eye twitches). Darkseid. Scared.
FAIL.
I love DCAU movies, but this one was really, really bad. I was so disappointed.
" If it's canon, that's just wrong. It was a really terrible story. It just seemed thrown together with no research and even less regard for Eddie's character. "
We can't consider it non canon just because it's badly written. If we could i would disregard OMD and all Jeph Loeb's stuff as non canon. "
I vote to put that into effect. With the exception of Batman/Superman: Supergirl. "
Batman: Hush, the Long Halloween and Dark Victory need to be excluded, they're awesome. Truthfully, I didn't like S/B:SG. I thought Batman was way out of character (and the movie was God-awful). "
Oh, oh! Finally got and read Hush. Absolutely amazing! :O BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!! It was great! The comic, not the movie, haven't actually seen it yet, but haven't heard anything good about it. "
Haha! Yes! Hush is my favourite comic book ever. It may not be the best, but it's still my favourite :D I thought Batman was way too hard on Supes in S/B:SG. If anyone in the DCU understands the need to have a family, it's Bruce Wayne. Loeb focused too much on his paranoid side. "
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that I knew who Hush was didn't hinder the story at all. LOVED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eh. I suppose so. xP "
Heh heh, well I'm an insane Batman fan, so if I think he's out of character, it hinders the story greatly for me :P The movie is really bad though. It hampered my enjoyment of the comic. Supergirl gets hit with Omega Beams something like 11 times and keeps fighting :| "
I can understand and sympathize with that. O_O You are $#itting me. That's effing ridiculous. "
I know. It was just wrong. On top of that, Superman feels remorse for frying the DD clones (despite having killed multiple clones before that). WTF? There is no faux-death for Kara, Darkseid just leaves because he's scared of Clark and Kara (eye twitches). Darkseid. Scared. FAIL. I love DCAU movies, but this one was really, really bad. I was so disappointed. "
WTF?!?! That's ridiculous. Scared? Christ. I don't know if I can see this movie. I don't think I can handle the epic fail that it seems to be full of.
@ComicMan24:@The Dark Huntress: It really is awful.
Another thing, and this is, in fairness, nitpicking. Where was Mister Miracle? I know that he didn't appear in the source, and for good reason, when you're writing with Turner, you want most characters to be female, but it could have been a real nice cameo, and they just left it out. As a big MM fan, that really bummed me out.
" @ComicMan24:@The Dark Huntress: It really is awful. Another thing, and this is, in fairness, nitpicking. Where was Mister Miracle? I know that he didn't appear in the source, and for good reason, when you're writing with Turner, you want most characters to be female, but it could have been a real nice cameo, and they just left it out. As a big MM fan, that really bummed me out. "
I guess with all these changes they could make him appear. Did Harbinger appear?
" @FadeToBlackBolt: As much as I love Summer Glau, it's not enough to get me to see this movie. I agree. "
She was good in it though :) @ComicMan24 said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:
" @ComicMan24:@The Dark Huntress: It really is awful. Another thing, and this is, in fairness, nitpicking. Where was Mister Miracle? I know that he didn't appear in the source, and for good reason, when you're writing with Turner, you want most characters to be female, but it could have been a real nice cameo, and they just left it out. As a big MM fan, that really bummed me out. "
I guess with all these changes they could make him appear. Did Harbinger appear? "
Yes.
Also, it should be worth mentioning that the Green Arrow short was fantastic.
@FadeToBlackBolt: Isn't that the one with her as a dancer? I've been meaning to see it, because I know that she was a trained ballerina. It's actually quite evident in the way that she walks in Firefly/Serenity.
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