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    Concept » Dragon Ball Universe appears in 184 issues.

    The shared universe between some of the works of Akira Toriyama such as Dragonball, Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, Dr Slump, Neko Majin, and other one shot mangas.

    Just how powerful are Androids 19 and 20?

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    Axolyte

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    #1  Edited By Axolyte

    Those two androids were originally intended to be the true villains of the Androids Saga, before Toriyama's editor talked him out of it. Toriyama, as we know, doesn't introduce a villain weaker than the previous one. This being said, 19 and 20 do not have any energy that can be detected. Their power levels cannot be felt, because they are artificial androids. Their strength relies on absorbing, but they appear strong without the energy. We saw how effortlessly Android 20 defeated Yamcha and Krillin, nearly killing them both (when he attacks Yamcha in Sasebo and another time when he ambushes Krillin in the mountains).

    This being said, should 19 and 20 be stronger than Frieza?

    And yes, I know that Krillin and Yamcha are not as strong as Piccolo or the Saiyans, but they are still strong enough to be planet busters. King Vegeta, who had a power level of 10,000, was a planet buster. I say it is incredible for Dr. Gero to create a body for himself that powerful and to create something like Android 19.

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    Prob around 75% of Frieza level if I had to gauge it.

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    Prob around 75% of Frieza level if I had to gauge it.

    Why around 75%?

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    Probably around second or third form frieza IMO. Piccolo absolutely dominated 20 after he absorbed an attack from Vegeta and took some of Piccolos energy.

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    imo Far below Frieza but we can't know for sure since DBZ is one of the most vagues animes featwise so is hard to measure the characters.

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    @johncena69swag: Piccolo dominated Android 20 when he wasn't wearing weights. He had issues when he was still wearing weighted clothing.

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    #7  Edited By JohnCena69swag

    @axolyte: Piccolo wasn't wearing weights against Frieza either and he was somewhere in between Frieza's second and third forms.

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    @axolyte: Piccolo wasn't wearing weights against Frieza either and he was somewhere in between Frieza's second and third forms.

    Its safe to assume Picollo had reached third form power at the very least, since he had been training with Gohan for 3 years, and then another 3 years with Goku and Gohan.

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    Probably around second or third form frieza IMO. Piccolo absolutely dominated 20 after he absorbed an attack from Vegeta and took some of Piccolos energy.

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    @rukelnikovftw: Krillin noted Piccolo's massive increase in power and even stated he was as strong as a Super Saiyan, so he was obviously WELL ABOVE third form Frieza.

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    Originally they were going to be at least level of Androids 18 and 17 as even Trunks first referred to them being the androids that killed the Warriors in the future so they should've been at least above SSJ level, after Toriyama had to replace them thanks to the editor he nerfed them below Piccolo level with the only great advantage being the energy absorption.

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    They're around the same level as Final Form 100% Frieza. The reason Goku dominated 19 at the beginning because he was training for 3 years

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    weaker than frieza

    frieza 120 million

    19 90 million

    20 100 million

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    Not sure, 19 got stomped badly by SSJ Vegeta, but any SSJ(Trunk, Healthy Goku and Vegeta) should all be able to do the same to 100% Frieze, if I had to guess probably around 120% Frieza? Maybe Sub-SSJ Namek Goku Tier?

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    #15  Edited By Legendarysaiyan

    I would say 19 and 20 are above Frieza, but that is maybe. Below Namek SSJ goku. maybe 125 mil range

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    Third as strong as his final form or should be atleast

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    It's hard to say, naturally because of how little we got to see them fight. From the perspective of how they were unable to contend with a Super Saiyan Vegeta, who was a "fresh" SS means they were definitely not on the level of 100% Frieza, as assuming Vegeta had attained the Super Saiyan form rather recently he would be near the same level. He could certainly be higher of course given that he had a lot of time where we didn't see him in those 3 years, but that gives a good "ceiling". As for a floor, Piccolo was unphased by 20's ambush yet was unable to free himself from his grip, meaning he was confident he could beat the Android in a fair fight, yet did not have the strength to completely overwhelm him like Vegeta did. And since we know he trained since his time equal to Frieza's second form, this puts him somewhere around Frieza's third form, perhaps even nearing Final Form Frieza. Krillin's confidence in his power near Super Saiyan suggests this as well. As such, the best estimate falls somewhere between Final Form Frieza and 100% Frieza, as I'm confident Krillin would never have stated Piccolo was near Super Saiyan if he couldn't at least contend with half power Frieza. You could even put this in power levels if you wanted, putting the Androids at somewhere between 60,000,000 and 120,000,000. Clearly a cut above the average Z fighter, but something Piccolo and of course the Super Saiyans could deal with.

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    I would say 19 and 20 are somewhere above 25% Frieza but below 75% Frieza. They were no match for any Super Saiyan, quite obviously, but a pre-Kami fusion Piccolo was able to take them out. We know that Piccolo was stronger than 2nd form Frieza (who according to the power levels was about 1% of Frieza’s total power) and we know that there’s 4.5 years between Namek and the Androids attacking. The first 1.5 years was calm until Mecha Frieza showed up and the next 3 years from there were hard training. We know that Piccolo spent those 3 years with Goku and Gohan so it could be possible that Piccolo increased his power by a lot but there’s such a huge gap he has to cover.

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    #19  Edited By GokuGOAT

    Goku base form: 8,000,000

    Goku SSJ- 400,000,000

    Android 20- 35,000,000

    Android 19 pre absorbing- 25,000,000

    Android 19 absorb power- 150,000,000

    Sick SSJ Goku- 50,000,000

    Sick power down SSJ- 25,000,000

    Base form sick Goku- 1,000,000 with power down being 500,000

    Vegeta -8,000,000

    Vegeta -400,000,000

    Trunks- 6,000,000

    SSJ Trunks-300,000,000

    Piccolo(weights)- 35,000,000

    Piccolo- 100,000,000

    Tien-350,000

    Krillin- 300,000

    Yamcha-100,000

    Fannade don’t get mad at me. Plus I don’t think any characters is even close to the billion mark until Buu saga.

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    #20  Edited By Scotchbear

    @axolyte: vegeta dismissed that statement though.

    He says something like “he must be as strong as a super saiyan” and vegeta chuckles

    Vegeta even admits when he gets surpassed by him later on.

    So I’d take that with a grain of salt

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