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    @Ryaryu said:

    Pan actually flyed over the entire world in 5 min. That means she has mach 390 speed... and Super Gotenks made the same feat, but multiple times per second...

    Actually Gotenks going around the world lasted 28-29 minutes in total, one lap would've taken at least some minutes

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    @edbeatle said:
    @Ryaryu said:

    Pan actually flyed over the entire world in 5 min. That means she has mach 390 speed... and Super Gotenks made the same feat, but multiple times per second...

    Actually Gotenks going around the world lasted 28-29 minutes in total, one lap would've taken at least some minutes

    Gotenks unfusing because of wasting the fusion's energy by flying around the planet at extreme speeds sounds a lot more probable than it taking him over several minutes to fly around the planet.

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    @edbeatle said:

    Actually Gotenks going around the world lasted 28-29 minutes in total, one lap would've taken at least some minutes

    I don't believe so; Pan can do in 5 minutes and she doesn't have much power, Super Gotenks is probably at SSJ3 Goku level (since Goku at SSJ3 as able to fight Buu, and he believed that Gotenks would be able, too). And lot's of time were wasted goofying around, also.

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    @zzagirl: I don't know if flying so fast would consume that much energy, and Piccolo specifying less than a minute seems too accurate, but I'll consider that, that might be right, thanks.

    @Ryaryu: Well, Gotenks did fly a few dozen times according to him so it's not that crazy to say he made a lap in around a minute, and well... GT you know?

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    #55  Edited By TheDeathstar

    Dragon Ball Character's combat speed is far above their flying speed, not to mention Goku and Beerus escaping their own universal shockwave before it reached other dimensions puts them easily in quadrillions times ftl

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    #56  Edited By Omega_kai

    @edbeatle: Gotenks took a nap that's why he infused when he did.

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    @edbeatle: Gotenks took a nap that's why he infused when he did.

    I hardly believe he actually took a nap after flying and then said to Piccolo "took you long enough", he was bragging about speed so yeah

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    @edbeatle: What's hard to believe about him taking a nap?

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    @omega_kai: Piccolo just arrived landing from Kami's lookout and you saying he took that long for Gotenks to fly AND take a nap?

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    #60  Edited By Omega_kai

    @edbeatle: Well yes, there is an in between panel right before Piccolo gets to Gontenks to show time has passed. Also, I know there's no timeframe given, but it would not be much of a speed feat if it took 30 minutes just to circle the globe several times. There's also the fact that Ki would likely become harder to sense when sleeping, so Piccolo was most likely trying to locate Gotenks.

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    #61  Edited By alextheboss

    Somewhere between massively hypersonic and relativistic. God tiers may be FTL.

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    Dragon Ball Character's combat speed is far above their flying speed, not to mention Goku and Beerus escaping their own universal shockwave before it reached other dimensions puts them easily in quadrillions times ftl

    So you are going off of how couple of members at Toei animated a certain scene and are using a some strange calc to say the are quadrillions of times faster than light...

    Your reaching levels are quadrillions of times over 9,000

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    Somewhere between massively hypersonic and relativistic in first part

    FTL to low thousands FTL in Z

    Trilions FTL in Super

    Milions FTL in GT and other non canon media

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    Somewhere between massively hypersonic and relativistic. God tiers may be FTL.

    They kinda have a ftl feat on Frieza with Death beams unless you're talking about fly speed where I agree

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    @edbeatle: They said Frieza's death beam just looked like a flash of light, but that's just because they couldn't track it. If a energy beam that was hypersonic shot past a regular human they would just think it looked like a flash of light too. Unless you are talking about something else.

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    @alextheboss: Yeah that's the one but I'd agree if they had peak speed but at that point everyone should have hypersonic reflexes so if the beam were the be higher than what they can track it'd be high hypersonic or above

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    @edbeatle: http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/Goku_swats_away_the_Death_Beams?useskin=oasis

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    @edbeatle: It could be FTL but there isn't enough evidence to confirm it.

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    Didn't Piccolo say that they use their ki in short burst to overcome an opponent?

    That would mean someone like Beerus uses his MFTL++ travel speed to it into combat speed.

    I'd say everyone above SSG (Red Hair Goku) is obviously MFTL in combat speed without even trying.

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    @ryokuma100: I would probably agree god tiers are all over light speed. I think they were getting close to light speed in the Buu saga which would mean the next step is FTL and Beerus has FTL feats so it lines up.

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    @alextheboss: If Pan at DBZ end was Mach 390 (waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than a plane), and Gotenks making several turns on earth on a small time frame, imagine the sheer speed of a character strong enough to softly one-hit a 8x stronger version of Gotenks.

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    @Ryaryu: Yes but light speed can go around the planet 7 times in under a second. I would say ssj3 Gotenks is getting pretty close though.

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    @alextheboss:

    Gotenks did that in just plain super Saiyan just BTW.

    Whis who is MASSIVLEY ftl stated Vegeta was able to make contact with him in one training session.

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    @Ryaryu: Yes but light speed can go around the planet 7 times in under a second. I would say ssj3 Gotenks is getting pretty close though.

    But the circles he made were much larger times larger than the circumference of the Earth.

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    Additionally, I think I have proven on the previous page that, for some reason, the short distance combat speed of DBZ characters is vastly superior to their long distance travel speed.

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    @beast_mode999:

    Gotenks did that in just plain super Saiyan just BTW.

    I know that.

    Whis who is MASSIVLEY ftl stated Vegeta was able to make contact with him in one training session.

    Whis was holding back against Vegeta, but I agree Vegeta very well could be ftl at this point. I think pretty much any god tier has a good chance of being ftl.

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    #77  Edited By alextheboss

    @mortein:

    But the circles he made were much larger times larger than the circumference of the Earth.

    And Gotenks is also the size of a small country in the scan... It's just Toriyama's art style showing use he is circling the planet extremely fast.

    Additionally, I think I have proven on the previous page that, for some reason, the short distance combat speed of DBZ characters is vastly superior to their long distance travel speed.

    I completely agree with you here, but that still doesn't prove they have ftl combat speed, it just means their combat speed is faster than their long distance travel speed.

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    @alextheboss:

    True...

    Truth be told I'd rather for them to master teleportation rather than speed

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    @beast_mode999: Seems like Goku will never teach anyone instant transmition, lol. And why doesn't Whis have that move? It would be much more efficient than his way of travel. I mean even the supreme kai has instant transmition.

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    @alextheboss:

    No clue why any God tier doesn't know teleportation.

    Also I had this thought that maybe Vegeta could learn Warp Jump where he just skips in between two rats of Space... for example he lunges forward and warps himself instantly to another pint of space.

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    DBZ chars pre super most likely reach FTL speeds, goku went to the other side of namek in an instant after the healing tank as frieza was attacking vegeta which is speed not teleportation.

    but in DBZ flying speed and combat speed are different. DBZ chars were FTL as early the saiyan saga as raditz dodged an attack from piccolo he used to destroy the moon in an instant. He dodged an even better variation of the attacked called light of death

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    Great thread, spot on, if anything you lowballed their speed. I wish you would have utilized the solar flare scene where goku outran it to get sunglasses from roshi in the tournament when he was a kid.

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    @jplaya2023:

    The Namek feat has been disproven. If you read the manga and follow Dende until Goku arrives, they don't travel that far from the ship. The English manga summary is invalid.

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    They haven't demonstrated quantifiable ftl feats until DBS, and this only applies to Beerus, Whis, Vados, etc.

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    #86  Edited By Firestorm808

    @gaoron:

    The Namek feat is invalid because Frieza's ship is only a few miles away as shown in the manga volume 20 page 110.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-292?id=260879

    Manga pages overrule the summary.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-294?id=260881

    Volume 20 page 142

    Frieza arrives at the island the dragon was summoned with Vegeta, Dende, Krillin, and Gohan.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-296?id=260883

    Volume 20 page 170-172

    Frieza blows up said island.

    Volume 20 page 175

    Krillin is stabbed and drops Dende.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-297?id=260884

    Volume 20 page 175

    Krillin is dropped into the nearby water.

    Volume 20 page 186

    Dende swims Krillin to a nearby island.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-298?id=260885

    Volume 20 page 191

    Dende and Krillin reach the island, and Frieza and Gohan are on the next island over.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-299?id=260886

    Volume 20 page 213

    Dende goes to Gohan and heals him while Krillin distracts Frieza.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-300?id=260887

    Volume 21 page 9-10

    Piccolo tells Dende to take shelter, and he hides behind a rock wall.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-302?id=260889

    Volume 21 page 39

    Dende is still behind the rock wall.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-304?id=260891

    Volume 21 page 64-75

    Vegeta goes to Dende to get healed, is denied, and collapses.

    Gohan and Krillin take the injured Piccolo to Dende's island.

    Gohan and Krillin run to Dende and see Dende fly overhead.

    Dende heals Piccolo, and Gohan and Krillin meet up. Vegeta is shown in the background on the same island. (page 67)

    Dende goes and heals Vegeta, and Vegeta kicks him down.

    Frieza kills Dende.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-306?id=260893

    Volume 21 page 96-101

    Final Form Frieza beats Vegeta down to the front of the others and continues to beat him.

    http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball/Chapter-307?id=260894

    Volume 21 page 105

    Goku arrives on the island. (Still a few miles away from the ship)

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    Well it looks like we finally got a DBZ character other then the gods that can go faster then light....but if anything this feels like a double edged sword...If it's considered so impressive then wouldn't that mean it was unattainable before?

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    Most certainly FTL at the very least right now.

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    Dragon Ball characters were not confirmed to be speed of light in combat until Dragon Ball Super.

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    #91  Edited By Thedarkpaladin

    Unquantifiably FTL during the ToP most likely. Depends on whether MUI Goku and Jiren actually surpassed Dyspo's max combat speed.

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    Unquantifiably FTL during the ToP most likely. Depends on whether MUI Goku and Jiren actually surpassed Dyspo's max combat speed.

    Golden frieza was still capable of reacting against dypso.

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    @thedarkpaladin said:

    Unquantifiably FTL during the ToP most likely. Depends on whether MUI Goku and Jiren actually surpassed Dyspo's max combat speed.

    Golden frieza was still capable of reacting against dypso.

    Gohan and Freeza were being overwhelmed by Dyspo's light-speed movement, as both the episode and spoilers show:

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    Additionally, Dyspo couldn't track Dyspo even with the God Pad, while he showed no issue perceiving Jiren and Goku's battle without any assistance at all.

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    #94  Edited By JOVIOLMA

    Dragon Ball characters were not Light speed or FTL in Z, they are likely Relativistic , or Relativistic + by consistent feats in Buu's Saga, they are without any doubt FTL in DBS

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    @standardized said:
    @thedarkpaladin said:

    Unquantifiably FTL during the ToP most likely. Depends on whether MUI Goku and Jiren actually surpassed Dyspo's max combat speed.

    Golden frieza was still capable of reacting against dypso.

    Gohan and Freeza were being overwhelmed by Dyspo's light-speed movement, as both the episode and spoilers show:

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    Additionally, Dyspo couldn't track Dyspo even with the God Pad, while he showed no issue perceiving Jiren and Goku's battle without any assistance at all.

    The god pad also wasn't able to track frieza.... It should be fairly obvious that jiren and goku were tiers above everyone in terms of everything.

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    @thedarkpaladin said:
    @standardized said:
    @thedarkpaladin said:

    Unquantifiably FTL during the ToP most likely. Depends on whether MUI Goku and Jiren actually surpassed Dyspo's max combat speed.

    Golden frieza was still capable of reacting against dypso.

    Gohan and Freeza were being overwhelmed by Dyspo's light-speed movement, as both the episode and spoilers show:

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    Additionally, Dyspo couldn't track Dyspo even with the God Pad, while he showed no issue perceiving Jiren and Goku's battle without any assistance at all.

    The god pad also wasn't able to track frieza.... It should be fairly obvious that jiren and goku were tiers above everyone in terms of everything.

    Show me when the God Pad failed to track Freeza. Grand Priest specifically states Dyspo's speed was above the capabilities of the God Pad, not Freeza's. As for your second statement, it sounds more like speculation unsupported by direct evidence.

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    @standardized said:
    @thedarkpaladin said:
    @standardized said:
    @thedarkpaladin said:

    Unquantifiably FTL during the ToP most likely. Depends on whether MUI Goku and Jiren actually surpassed Dyspo's max combat speed.

    Golden frieza was still capable of reacting against dypso.

    Gohan and Freeza were being overwhelmed by Dyspo's light-speed movement, as both the episode and spoilers show:

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    Additionally, Dyspo couldn't track Dyspo even with the God Pad, while he showed no issue perceiving Jiren and Goku's battle without any assistance at all.

    The god pad also wasn't able to track frieza.... It should be fairly obvious that jiren and goku were tiers above everyone in terms of everything.

    Show me when the God Pad failed to track Freeza. Grand Priest specifically states Dyspo's speed was above the capabilities of the God Pad, not Freeza's. As for your second statement, it sounds more like speculation unsupported by direct evidence.

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    Skip to 1:32 the god pads can't see either moving at that speed.

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    @thedarkpaladin said:
    @standardized said:
    @thedarkpaladin said:
    @standardized said:
    @thedarkpaladin said:

    Unquantifiably FTL during the ToP most likely. Depends on whether MUI Goku and Jiren actually surpassed Dyspo's max combat speed.

    Golden frieza was still capable of reacting against dypso.

    Gohan and Freeza were being overwhelmed by Dyspo's light-speed movement, as both the episode and spoilers show:

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    Additionally, Dyspo couldn't track Dyspo even with the God Pad, while he showed no issue perceiving Jiren and Goku's battle without any assistance at all.

    The god pad also wasn't able to track frieza.... It should be fairly obvious that jiren and goku were tiers above everyone in terms of everything.

    Show me when the God Pad failed to track Freeza. Grand Priest specifically states Dyspo's speed was above the capabilities of the God Pad, not Freeza's. As for your second statement, it sounds more like speculation unsupported by direct evidence.

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    Skip to 1:32 the god pads can't see either moving at that speed.

    Nice one.

    The point is, Dyspo is hard to track by Zeno and the god pad because of two things. His speed and the way he fights.

    1. he is definitely faster than their reaction time.
    2. he fights in straight lines as shown and mentioned by ... well ... everyone.

    Goku and Jiren fight like real martial artists ( with energy beams tho ), so their styles allow them to leave after images and beams of light allowing Zeno to keep track of their fight.

    Episode 104 "The Ultimate High-Speed Battle Begins! Goku and Hit Join Forces!" Goku says in the preview that "a faster than light battle begins." Then Toppo's statement backing off the fact that Dyspo's movements are indeed faster than the speed of light.

    Episode 129 " Limits Super Surpassed! Ultra Instinct Mastered! ", Its preview showed Goku saying that his speed with Jiren will be " out of this dimension ". Fans should really get that the writers are trying to say that the battle between Jiren and Goku is the fastest. But somehow some managed to refuse this fact since the writers never showed nor mentioned that they are faster than Dyspo. especially since Goku was still in his unmastered ultra instinct form.

    But Goku already blitzed Dyspo once in his Unmastered UI in episode 110:

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    And in episode 129, Toppo who had no problem following Dyspo earlier, Only managed to notice that Goku switched to offense fighting Jiren, after witnessing sparks coming from the collision of their fists. Hinting that he is not actually able to see clearly their movements.

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    "sorry I tried to find a video of Toppo's statement but couldn't yet, It should be right after the last events of this video"

    In conclusion: Clearly, UI Goku and Jiren are faster in the anime than Dyspo, we still have the manga tho.

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    #99  Edited By Naius

    So first lets break Dawn there combat speed shall we.

    Lets start with obvius. Dyspo is wrong translation his ability real name is "super speed" and not "light speed". Your scans also says he alredy surpassed speed of light and that he can increase his speed by thousand of times. Thats alredy MTFL+.

    But lets start with db.

    Piccolo oblitirate the moon in 2 seconds. Light needs 1.2 seconds to travel to moon so Piccolo with lowball is 1/3 speed of light. So Radiz who was eable to see and dodge Piccolo attack should also be 1/3 speed of light.

    And post traning kaioken goku would alredy be FTL at kaioken Times 2.

    But lets nah saiyan saga is not even close to that.

    Namek:

    Piccolo wasn't eable to see Frezzer death vem despite having Relatevistic combat speed and reaction speed. And ssj1 Goku would be 50 Times it so 100.000.000 × 50 = 5.000.000.000 which is 16 times FTL. So let's assume his base is the same throw whole dbz so ssj2 would be 32 times FTL. And ssj3 would be 128 Times FTL. Keep in mind this is a low ball.

    There are also 2 insane speed feats from manga and 4 from anime for namek.

    Manga:

    -Goku blitzes scouters which could react to and pick up transmissions that crossed solar systems instantly

    -Goku and freeza react to dragon balls that travelled at least one galaxy in less than 2 minutes. They were reacting the same way to there combat speed

    Anime

    - in adition to manga two.

    -goku dodges rocks on top of the ship that can travel from earth to Jupiter in less then minute

    -goku kamehameha outspeeding that same ship after he blast himself away from Sun.

    But you will probably ask. But Naius isnt that contradict.....no Both Goku and Vegeta stated that if your strenght increses so does speed. And Toriyama stated that he needs to slow Dawn the fight for you to see it. Look at dbz Kai Vegito vs Buu when vegito is standing still but after sometime you start seeing him and buu fighting at insane speed. Thats exatly what toriyama is talking about.

    Speaking off buu in manga he was stated to be eable to destroy houndreds of planets in Just few years. So 100 planets = probably 12 solar systems. Nearest one is 40.000.000.000.000.000 m away devided that by 3 years (few years) and thats 422516861,98513 m/s and thats Just 2 solar systems in 3 years ignoring distance between planets. So all solar systems would gave 5070202343,821 m/s. But lets take Vegito now his base is superior to ssj3 Goku but lets say he is 128 Times FTL so ssj vegito is 6400 Times FTL.

    And now we move to ssg which was superior to hypotetical ssj3 Vegito so At least 51200 times FTL. Goku then Got that in base and he can now stack ssj, ssj2... So current dawnplay ssj3 Goku combat speed would be 20480000 at a compleate lowball.

    So that combat speed yeah preatty fast.

    As for travel speed you all bring gotenks and Goku but noone brings jiren.

    Jiren traveled to planet without a space ship that can travel to Jupiter and back in 58 seconds so yeah they also have MTFL+ travel speed the only problem is that toriyama Said there TRAVEL SPEED depends on plot (if they are serius or if they just clown around).

    Don't forgot stuff like ki suprasing, cinematic time, and holding back exists.

    Thanks for reading.

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    #100 takenstew22  Moderator

    Raditz has a clear relativistic feat and they only get faster from there.

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