was dick grayson robin in the new 52? or don't we know yet? man i hope so:(
Dick Grayson
Character » Dick Grayson appears in 9431 issues.
As the first Robin, Dick Grayson was the most famous sidekick in comic book history. As he ventured forth on his own, he formed the Teen Titans and became their leader. When the boy became a man, he became the independent hero known as Nightwing.
Was dick grayson robin in the new 52?
@Regas13 said:
was dick grayson robin in the new 52? or don't we know yet? man i hope so:(
Yeah, he's a former Robin. None of the Robins were touched continuity-wise, they were just kind of scrunched together time-wise cause all their drama has to have happened in 5 years.
The one big retcon re: Grayson is that he never led the Teen Titans. He had some teamups, but nothing officially as a team. Teen Titans was apparently a new concept when Drake put his team together in the new run of Teen Titans post-Flashpoint.
@fodigg: But I thought that Starfire revealed that she did have memories of the Teen Titans, after-all. (I'm not sure, I haven't been reading it.)
@cosmo111687 said:
@fodigg: But I thought that Starfire revealed that she did have memories of the Teen Titans, after-all. (I'm not sure, I haven't been reading it.)
Yeah there were some continuity goofs at launch but the word-of-didio was that the titans didn't exist prior to the current run. All that stuff is being treated as misc. teamups.
C'mon, seriously? lmao. DC can tamper with alot of things but Dick Grayson's time as Robin is sacred.
@SmoothJammin said:
C'mon, seriously? lmao. DC can tamper with alot of things but Dick Grayson's time as Robin is sacred.
Preach it brotha
I see Justice League as being about 8-11 years ago and Bruce at least having Jason by the time of it. And then he must have existed another 6 years before to have Dick and be on his own for a couple of years. I would rather think of it in this way to put my mind at rest. Justice League being 8-11 years ago totally makes more sense than 5, I mean how is that even possible? I would just make your own timeline which makes sense for you rather than listen to DCs messed up timeline.
@John Valentine said:
It has to have happened within the last five years? Why?
I was actually wrong in saying that, because while Batman has only been operating in public for the last five years (Justice League), there's nothing to say he hasn't had a longer career before that in secret. However, we then get left with the impression that Grayson's entire time as Robin was secret and behind the scenes, which I suppose makes some amount of sense if he never publicly led a team of teenage superheroes.
@Regas13 said:
@BlackArmor: so your saying that in the past 5 years dick was robin, became nightwing, jason became robin, died, tim drake became robin, they met Damian, who after bruce died became robin and dick who with less than 5 years of training became batman?
....actually based on Dick's solo series that all happened in a little less than 5 years....
Somewhere in a Kyle Kiggins interview, I believe for newsarama(or CBR) it is stated Dick started as robin at 16. How effed up is that
@batmanary said:
I'm pretty sure that Batman's existed for 10 years or longer. Dick would have been Robin during that whole time where he's considered a myth.
I heard the 10 year thing to, but Nightwing #3 reveals the Dick was still in the circus with his parents 5 or so years ago
Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.
@Nathaniel_Christopher said:
Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.
If you think about it, that whole first generation of sidekicks got the shaft. Wally, Roy, Donna, Beast-Boy, Raven..even Starfire. Only Cyborg got all the trimmings. Who'd have thought, lol.
@SmoothJammin said:
@Nathaniel_Christopher said:
Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.
If you think about it, that whole first generation of sidekicks got the shaft. Wally, Roy, Donna, Beast-Boy, Raven..even Starfire. Only Cyborg got all the trimmings. Who'd have thought, lol.
Well, Starfire seems pretty much the same, just being evolved as a character. Roy got f*cked, but honestly, he was fcked much before the reboot was announced during Cry For Justice. Raven is going to be appearing though... Beast Boy is appearing too, but he seems to be different. Cyborg did go well, but I still don't like him in the JLA.
@ReVamp said:
@SmoothJammin said:
@Nathaniel_Christopher said:
Yeah, Dicks new timeline (Really the Bat family's in general) and the exclusion of the Teen Titans is one of The New 52's biggest mistakes in my opinion.
If you think about it, that whole first generation of sidekicks got the shaft. Wally, Roy, Donna, Beast-Boy, Raven..even Starfire. Only Cyborg got all the trimmings. Who'd have thought, lol.
Well, Starfire seems pretty much the same, just being evolved as a character. Roy got f*cked, but honestly, he was fcked much before the reboot was announced during Cry For Justice. Raven is going to be appearing though... Beast Boy is appearing too, but he seems to be different. Cyborg did go well, but I still don't like him in the JLA.
Yeah the first gens got screwed, but as ReVamp pointed out, Roy was getting screwed before the change and so was Wally for that matter. Does anyone even remember where he was before Flashpoint?! All I remember is that he was basically replaced with Barry in every way. Both Donna and Wally need to reappear. At least they're doing new things with Starfire.
When did Dido say there was no Titans?@spiderbat87 said:
@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.Another plot hole then. Somebody should really tell Dan Didio what his writers are doing.
@spiderbat87 said:
@fodigg said:When did Dido say there was no Titans?@spiderbat87 said:
@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.Another plot hole then. Somebody should really tell Dan Didio what his writers are doing.
Ohhh, you're making me dig through my forum history WHY? How DARE you ask for verifiable evidence to support my wild claims! ~
The quotes I'm thinking of can be paraphrased roughly as "So these characters may have worked together in the past but never called themselves the Titans" and "... eventually the New Teen Titans will not have existed."
I was able to find a source here that says the "eventually the perez era will be gone," but that source was second hand and not a direct quote. It may, however, be the latter above quote I'm thinking of. I will continue to search for those quotes. The gist was, however, that Didio was talking and behaving as if the previous era of the Titans did not exist and that Wally/Donna were totally out, meanwhile launch books had clear indicators that for some writers this was not the approach they took.
I can see myself referencing these quotes on the first page but of course I didn't source them then either. This quote would've happened around the same time as the "no crisis events" quote, when people were still trying to pin down DCnU continuity and there was a lot of conflicting info from the DC brass.
As I'm unable to (at the moment anyway) find a direct Didio quote, these quotes should do:
Teen Titans editor Bobbie Chase: "Not only are these character meeting each other for the first time, in the New 52, this is the first incarnation of Teen Titans, ever" (source)
vs:
On Teen Titans History: “With Starfire in the Red Hood series and no Donna Troy, did that Teen Titans team ever come together?” Lobdell: “There are groups in the mythology that were called the Teen Titans before.” (source)
So while I don't have Didio's off-the-cuff remarks, there is (or at least was) some confusion among creators how much of the Titans history remained after the revamp.
It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to print@spiderbat87 said:
@fodigg said:When did Dido say there was no Titans?@spiderbat87 said:
@fodigg: But Tim said at one point that "this will be the shortest incarnation of teen titans ever and that was in the last issue or the one before.Another plot hole then. Somebody should really tell Dan Didio what his writers are doing.
Ohhh, you're making me dig through my forum history WHY? How DARE you ask for verifiable evidence to support my wild claims! ~
The quotes I'm thinking of can be paraphrased roughly as "So these characters may have worked together in the past but never called themselves the Titans" and "... eventually the New Teen Titans will not have existed."
I was able to find a source here that says the "eventually the perez era will be gone," but that source was second hand and not a direct quote. It may, however, be the latter above quote I'm thinking of. I will continue to search for those quotes. The gist was, however, that Didio was talking and behaving as if the previous era of the Titans did not exist and that Wally/Donna were totally out, meanwhile launch books had clear indicators that for some writers this was not the approach they took.
I can see myself referencing these quotes on the first page but of course I didn't source them then either. This quote would've happened around the same time as the "no crisis events" quote, when people were still trying to pin down DCnU continuity and there was a lot of conflicting info from the DC brass.
As I'm unable to (at the moment anyway) find a direct Didio quote, these quotes should do:
Teen Titans editor Bobbie Chase: "Not only are these character meeting each other for the first time, in the New 52, this is the first incarnation of Teen Titans, ever" (source)vs:
On Teen Titans History: “With Starfire in the Red Hood series and no Donna Troy, did that Teen Titans team ever come together?” Lobdell: “There are groups in the mythology that were called the Teen Titans before.” (source)So while I don't have Didio's off-the-cuff remarks, there is (or at least was) some confusion among creators how much of the Titans history remained after the revamp.
@spiderbat87 said:
It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to print
Biggest problem of the reboot is that no one actually knows what's going on with anything else. They haven't totally decided, or at least seemed to, what exactly is considered cannon or not, which kind of sucks.
They should have got together with there writers and made a real basic timeline up to the present, so everyone knows whats happened and what's not@spiderbat87 said:
It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to printBiggest problem of the reboot is that no one actually knows what's going on with anything else. They haven't totally decided, or at least seemed to, what exactly is considered cannon or not, which kind of sucks.
@spiderbat87 said:
@ReVamp said:They should have got together with there writers and made a real basic timeline up to the present, so everyone knows whats happened and what's not@spiderbat87 said:
It sounds like none of them actually know, you'd think they would have a big meeting about this stuff before everything went to printBiggest problem of the reboot is that no one actually knows what's going on with anything else. They haven't totally decided, or at least seemed to, what exactly is considered cannon or not, which kind of sucks.
Yeah man, they really should have done something like that. It doesn't even need to be extensive, but just knowing what characters are getting cut, what's getting retconned and whatnot, that would've made the reboot much more appealing to other people.
The News 52 timeline is a crap. It doesnt make sense and the Robins trained for six months and be Robin for six months, that very idiot and without sense. Im thinking my own timeline cause the original is horrible.
@JediXMan said:
For the most part, Batman's continuity hasn't been changed all that much. Same for Green Lantern.
umm tim was never robin thats quite a big change
hes still robin, but the build up to him becoming nightwing, is completely destroyed. he should have no independence, with the new 52 hes off fighting crime by himself at the age of about 18 with only a year training? batmans a bad mentor obviously
@Arkhamc1tizen said:
@JediXMan said:
For the most part, Batman's continuity hasn't been changed all that much. Same for Green Lantern.umm tim was never robin thats quite a big change
The whole Tim thing is confusing to say the least. Technically he WAS and IS a Robin and he was most definitely trained by Bruce, he never served as Batman's Robin but was nonetheless a Robin of sorts. Tim not being Robin alongside Bruce is mainly down to the compressed timeline. Pre-flashpoint there were years between Jason's death and Tim discovering Nightwing and Batman's true identities and then attempting to become Robin, and even then Bruce was less than enthusiastic about the idea of another Robin after what happened to Jason. With the compressed timeline you'd be talking about a matter of months elapsing between Jason's death and Tim coming onto the scene, no way would Bruce let anyone else become a Robin so soon after Jason died. No doubt the Red Robin persona was partly thought up by Bruce as a means of allowing Tim to fight crime but not alongside Batman.
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