@sonny1:
Here's the problem with your whole synopsis, the phoenix was destroying life on other planets along it's path to earth. And for all the avengers knew it was a danger to the entire planet.
Careful. The word "Knew" implies it being a fact. Which it wasnt. The Phoenix was not a danger to the entire planet. It has never been before, so why now?
Also, even the Avengers knew the Phoenix was coming for Host. Now if it needed Hope as a host, why would it destroy the planet her host is on, destroying her host? We saw that planets were destroyed on its way over, so clearly it does not need a host in order to destroy the earth. Meaning the fact it had a host picked out should be indication enough of the Earth being safe from destruction.
the avengers just couldnt put 2 and 2 together.
They wanted to take Hope into protective custody in order to protect the rest of the planet and maybe determine what was going on.
determine what was going on? Oh, was that what that laser was trying to do when it split the Phoenix? determine and analyze the situation?
They wanted to put Hope in to protective custody out of fear of something they did not understand at all. And given that the Phoenix was destroying planets on its way over to the earth while in its raw form, would it not be in the planet's best interest that it find a host rather than being in a form that has been accidentally destroying planets on its trip over to the earth? If the Avengers truly believed it would harm the earth, would that plan not be incredibly reckless of them? Why open up the possibilities of unknowns you could not possibly adequately prepare for.
either you risk destroying your own planet by keeping the Phoenix from its host and exposing the planet to its raw form, which has been destroying planets in its travel over to the earth.
or the Phoenix reaches Hope anyway, and is instead angered when it finds itself in Protective custody. The last thing you wanna do is piss off the Phoenix, we've all seen what could possibly happen when that occurs.
Hell the avengers have some of the smartest people on the planet.
and yet they've managed to escalate things and cause things to get worse at every opportunity presented to them. Real smart.
Having a hunch and being lucky is different than knowing something.
What is so lucky about the Phoenix repopulating the mutant race? The Phoenix Force is one of the most powerful forces in the universe and has been a being of not only destruction, but also Rebirth. It has also been able to do things one would not think would be possible. Its almost as if almost anything can be achieved with the power of the Phoenix with the right host.
For example, Jean Grey as The White Phoenix of the Crown was able to change the future of a universe by reaching back in time and pushing Cyclops to move on with his life
you add this with information Cable gave Cyclops. Cyclops knowing the Phoenix's essence of death and rebirth, and it isnt hard to see why he would feel the way he would feel.
Beast being a scientist and having first hand knowledge of the phoenix was probably the most qualified to make that call and with wolverine knowing Scott captain America followed his advice.
and im sure their personal relationships with cyclops in no way shape or form would influence what position they would take in relation to Cyclop's plan. Both individuals you named have had a grudge with cyclops and have negatively towards him. Its funny that cyclops is often considered to be too "close" to the situation to be allowed to deal with it. That he wouldnt think logically as a result. Yet Captain America makes decisions based on info provided by individuals who could be accused of being influenced in a similar manner when it comes to matters involving cyclops.
and what was Beasts assessment? and does the fact that he was wrong not weaken him as a point of reference? we all now know the Phoenix never came to destroy the earth. So why put much weight in any who claimed the earth was in danger and that the Phoenix needed to be stopped.
You are just making excuses for Cyclops. Again according to nova the phoenix force was taking out planets.
Good for Nova...but that doesnt mean that was its purpose in arriving to earth. Why would that be the natural assumption to champion to the point of going to war with the x-men? It has never been the case before? why now? if it was going to destroy the earth, why would it even need a host? none of that adds up.
The avengers weren't taking a chance. And even with Scott having control of the force he didn't bather to return the mutants race back to it's original numbers. He instead decided to act like a god like the rest of the phoenix 5.
Yes, as i outlined earlier in this post, the avengers did take a huge risk. If anything, have they succeeded, they would have put the earth in more danger than the x-men plan ever would have. They were stubborn and reckless.
yeah, ridding the planet of weapons of mass destruction, providing food, and free energy. Horrible, just horrible. Also, it was like 4 months after they assumed the power of the Phoenix 5 that Hope asked for the power of the Phoenix. By that time, although not off the deep end, were already being corrupted by the Phoenix force. He couldnt give it to her right away, because she had rejected it.
as Wanda said, Hope was the only one with the strength to let go of the Phoenix. What fault is that of cyclops? He never asked for the Phoenix force for himself or the other 5. It was meant for Hope, and the Avengers messed that up. It was a power they were not able to let go. They never asked for it though. Who's fault is it they got hold of that corruptible power in the first place???
When it comes down to it. Scott acted like a jerk. Honestly I never really cared for him as a character anyway.
who wouldnt in this situation. your race is on the brink of extinction. And you have Captain america trying to take your only chance of repopulating mutants based on assumptions about a force he has had very little experience with. Fearing things that need not be feared given the history of the phoenix and the earth. As it turns out, Phoenix has been visiting the earth for ages according to that iron fist story relating to the Phoenix. There was just no reason for them to think it was coming to destroy the earth; it has never done so and there being a host was the biggest give away. Geniuses....
to me, cyclops is presently one of the more interesting characters in the marvel universe in terms of character development and potential to push future story arcs (at least as far as the xbooks are concerned). Thankfully he isnt dead, and will keep all the character growth he's earned over the last couple years.
It was the avengers that ultimately set things right
not at all....if they sat back and assisted the x-men's plan of action instead of trying to disrupt their plans, this whole situation could have been solved a lot sooner and with zero lives lost. The Avengers didnt do anything, in fact, it was Wanda and Hope ultimately set things right.
cyclops believed Hope and the Phoenix were the key to restoring mutants. thats 2/3 of the solution from jump...had the avengers been helpful, they could have brought Wanda to the table to complete what was needed...nowhere in there does trying to destroy the phoenix...nor keeping Hope from the Phoenix accomplish what was ultimately accomplished. So to credit the Avengers is just silly considering it was the opposite of what they trying to do throughout the entire event.
cyclops was right. Hope, the Phoenix, and Wanda ultimately set things right, despite the Avenger's best efforts throughout the course of the event.
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