Superman is a alien from Krypton 
  
Billy Batson is a 15 year old kid who says the magical word "Shazam!" and turns into a super hero with the powers of gods 
 
I've heard alot of people say he is a rip off. But how is he?

Might be the look and the boyscout attitude. I don't agree with it though.

"Might be the look and the boyscout attitude. I don't agree with it though. "

There are similarities, yeah but I don't think he is.

"There are similarities, yeah but I don't think he is. "

Similar powerset, similar appearance.

"@comicdude23: because hes a boy scout even moreso than superman and the powers are very close  and lol you have been making captain marvel threads daily "

Actually I think CM had flight and invulnerability before Superman. Not sure right now though.

"Actually I think CM had flight and invulnerability before Superman. Not sure right now though. "

"@comicdude23: yes sort of martian manhunter is a bit of a superman clone he has most of his powers but with added telepathy and shape shifting and was made  after so obviously they copied the senses, physical abilities, vision abilities, flight, being an alien and the last of his race so yes you could say that "

"@ComicMan24: superman was made with all the standard powers like strength durablity super jumping, speed, than they made captain marvel with all of those plus flight than DC made superman develop flight and sued them for copying the character even though captain marvel had an extra power.  Than superman developed things like super senses than captain marvel developed similiar than superman could go into space than captain marvel could than superman grew in power than captain marvel could so... "

"@comicdude23: wonderwoman was a girl version yes she was made to be like superman  yes captain marvel had flight first but copied all of supermans other abilities ontop of that, superman was a boyscout so was captain marvel than, superman could than survive in space than so could captain marvel, superman could fly at light speed than so could captain marvel, superman grew more powerful than so did captain marvel. Having flight before superman doesnt help when captain marvel copied 20 different things of superman "

"@comicdude23:
yes he was temporary more succesful than superman than DC got annoyed since it was basically a clone of superman + flight and sued them because they were gonna use superman as there big gun 
 
ok exclude flight and lets go over what he copied 
 
the boyscout charm- captain marvel copied 
 
super strength-  captain marvel copied 
 
super speed- captain marvel copied 
 
super durablity- captain marvel copied 
 
super stamina- captain marvel copied 
 
super senses- captain marvel copied 
 
surviving in space- captain marvel copied 
 
superman grows more powerful than guess what happens- captain marvel copied that
 
than theres flight- superman copied "

" @Valtot said:

"@comicdude23: wonderwoman was a girl version yes she was made to be like superman  yes captain marvel had flight first but copied all of supermans other abilities ontop of that, superman was a boyscout so was captain marvel than, superman could than survive in space than so could captain marvel, superman could fly at light speed than so could captain marvel, superman grew more powerful than so did captain marvel. Having flight before superman doesnt help when captain marvel copied 20 different things of superman "

And so does Thor, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, etc  The only reason DC sued Captain Marvelis because he was more succsessful than Superman   "

" @comicdude23 said:

" @Valtot said:

"@comicdude23: wonderwoman was a girl version yes she was made to be like superman  yes captain marvel had flight first but copied all of supermans other abilities ontop of that, superman was a boyscout so was captain marvel than, superman could than survive in space than so could captain marvel, superman could fly at light speed than so could captain marvel, superman grew more powerful than so did captain marvel. Having flight before superman doesnt help when captain marvel copied 20 different things of superman "

And so does Thor, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, etc  The only reason DC sued Captain Marvelis because he was more succsessful than Superman   "

Your missing what Valtot is saying, Superman was created first and then Captain Marvel arrived in 1939 and copied most of supermans power set, Captain Marvel looked and acted much like Superman did. Even if CM looks where roughly based on Fred MacMurry, they did copy supermans power set, which lead to a court case in 1948 which said that Captain Marvel was an infringement  but DC had slipped up and not copy righted all of their Superman newpaper comics so the court ruled in favour of   Fawcett but in 1952 Fawcett was found to be at fault as they had copied some of Supermans stories and Fawcett decided to settle out of court. So he was roughly based of Superman in the eyes of the law. So it was not because he was more popular it was more to do with several  legal  matters. Now that Marvel is with DC I don't really see him as the Supes rip off, they made him his own person over time. "

" @Final Arrow said:

" @comicdude23 said:

" @Valtot said:

"@comicdude23: wonderwoman was a girl version yes she was made to be like superman  yes captain marvel had flight first but copied all of supermans other abilities ontop of that, superman was a boyscout so was captain marvel than, superman could than survive in space than so could captain marvel, superman could fly at light speed than so could captain marvel, superman grew more powerful than so did captain marvel. Having flight before superman doesnt help when captain marvel copied 20 different things of superman "

And so does Thor, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, etc  The only reason DC sued Captain Marvelis because he was more succsessful than Superman   "

Your missing what Valtot is saying, Superman was created first and then Captain Marvel arrived in 1939 and copied most of supermans power set, Captain Marvel looked and acted much like Superman did. Even if CM looks where roughly based on Fred MacMurry, they did copy supermans power set, which lead to a court case in 1948 which said that Captain Marvel was an infringement  but DC had slipped up and not copy righted all of their Superman newpaper comics so the court ruled in favour of   Fawcett but in 1952 Fawcett was found to be at fault as they had copied some of Supermans stories and Fawcett decided to settle out of court. So he was roughly based of Superman in the eyes of the law. So it was not because he was more popular it was more to do with several  legal  matters. Now that Marvel is with DC I don't really see him as the Supes rip off, they made him his own person over time. "

But DC don't treat him right IMO. You agree? "

"@comicdude23:
yes he was temporary more succesful than superman than DC got annoyed since it was basically a clone of superman + flight and sued them because they were gonna use superman as there big gun 
 
ok exclude flight and lets go over what he copied 
 
the boyscout charm- captain marvel copied 
 
super strength-  captain marvel copied 
 
super speed- captain marvel copied 
 
super durablity- captain marvel copied 
 
super stamina- captain marvel copied 
 
super senses- captain marvel copied 
 
surviving in space- captain marvel copied 
 
superman grows more powerful than guess what happens- captain marvel copied that
 
than theres flight- superman copied "

@entropy_aegis:
these powers were just his originally if you see another person from marvel that looks alot like spiderman coming up with a spider sense and the ability to shoot webs would you not call that person a spiderman clone.? If you saw someone from DC coming up with the ability to shape shift, have super human physical abilities and telepathy would you not call this person a martian manhunter clone? if you saw someone from marvel coming up with the ability to go hulk like and look alot like hulk but a differnt colour would you call this person a hulk clone. Its just the way things are, theres 100s of good superman clones that go on and do there own thing like invincible/ mister majestic is a big one/ martian manhunter is a big one/ gladiator sorta.. hes not so cool though/ sentry is one. Most writers just get his main powers and add a few ones to make them look different or take away a few ones. BUt all these are great characters there just based of the concept of superman

most characters has that power set yet cap is a rip off?..........mmh is more of a rip

Because the courts said Billy is a copy of Superman, plus, they look alike...like a lot.

Also, Superman copied Billy's boyscout persona, Superman was hardly a boyscout when Billy was created. He was killing people left and right in the comics in 1939, he didn't become a tamed man until the 1940s when Billy was outselling him.

To be honest I don't care who copied who, if that. I have respect for Superman, but I find Captain Marvel to be cooler. Not just because of his powers, but also because of his costume design. His cape is awesome. The color combination as well is striking. Red and gold!

Okay.Some folks got a little crazy on the CM copied from Superman

Wisdom of Solomon equal Super intelligence, CM used it first when he created a starship.

Captain Marvel develop true invulnerability before Superman.

Superman got dumped on way witha ton of hurt and "can'ts" over CM, then Fawcett kicked it up a notch with CM into the worlds mightest mortal role.

CM was regularly doing the yawning when other villians tried to drop a mountain on him.

So no on durability ....

super stamina- captain marvel copied

Ummm Stamina of Atlas it was there on day-one.

Superman never addressed it as an ability or power.

- Nope! CM first adventures was on the planet Venus with his fight against Dr. Sivana and introduction of Beautia.

superman grows more powerful than guess what happens- captain marvel copied that

No because CM grew more powerful and popular, DC up the anty and then sued him because of his popularity.

More Superman copied.

Bald Evil Scientist Sivana February 1940 always bald and in CM actual origin story , Lex Luthor appeared April 1940 (issue #23 ) and was a full read headed dude.

Female counter part

Doppelgangers - CM had Black Adam and Levram Nitpac before Superman had General Zod and Bizarro.

Captain Marvel Jr had comics before Superboy, though Robin is considered the first jr partner.

JuleShazam.you forgot that Superman also copied flight.

I am going to take that as a jokes since it was repeated so many times.

But yes, Captain Marvel/Shazam is the bar that Superman was measured.
Superman became a better character because he had a great rival in Fawcett's Captain Marvel.

One can say that CM may be a copy of Superman but Superman copied so much from him and yet in still
CM origin and background is so unique.

I understand that CM exist in the "house that Superman built" but you would think that they
would exploit the virtues and attributes that made Fawcett so much money and popularity
by restoring CM into prominence.

nope Shazam is simply DC's answer for Marvel's Thor. nothing more. rhough thinking about it Thor was the answer of Marvel for Superman so Shazy couldn't have existed without Superman.

It could go either way, but I personally hate Captain Marvel so I will call him the ripoff and leave it at that.

He was. You have to remember. When he came out, there was no other hero really like Superman, then Cap shows up, a super strong, flying blue eyed, dark haired superhero...I mean, yeah, I can see it.

He was specifically created to challenge Superman's popularity for Fawcett comics.

@mrdevil:

Thor was created in 1962. There is a rumour of an interview where Stan Lee talks about his favorite super hero Captain Marvel Jr (1941) when he was a kid.

A lame, crippled human who says a magfic word strikes by lightning with powers of a gods.

Later as an adult he then creates...

A lame, crippled human who taps his cane, strikes by lighting with powers of norse god