better than kilmer n clooney.
Batman
Character » Batman appears in 23535 issues.
Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
Who else hates Keaton's Batman?
@johnkmccubbin91 said:
@comicdude23: Thats good this is what I think myself but the only one I truly hate is Clooney and thats nothing too how much I hate Joel Schumacher
Schumacher just f-cked up. I can't watch Batman and Robin with a straight face, Clooney just sucked when he said ''I'm Batman'', god he had potentional for Bruce Wayne but screwed up. A disgrace to Batman.
@Vance Astro said:
@GillaDro said:This.Keaton wins. Game over. next.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T78lwKBIQYs
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@Billy Batson said:
Bale wins. Game over. Next.
BB
Win.
@Vance Astro said:
@Billy Batson said:Bale wins. Game over. Next.
BB
Fixed.
@comicdude23 said:
@Billy Batson said:
Keaton wins. Game over. Next.
BBWin.
@Vance Astro said:
@Billy Batson said:Keaton wins. Game over. Next.
BBFixed.
if it aint broke dont fix it.
The first one is better.@Vance Astro said:
@GillaDro said:This.Keaton wins. Game over. next.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T78lwKBIQYs
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Loved Batman 1989, didnt care for the subsequent movies. Schumacher should've been punched repeatedly in the balls for what he did. Love the Bale/Nolan/Goyer trilogy.
@comicdude23 : Yo give keaton a break dude! It was 1989!. Of course the fight scenes wouldnt be that great because the graphics of movies werent that great and tech was not as great as it is now so they probably couldnt design a bat suit that is as fancy as the one Bale wears which would allow for lots of moving. They had to deal with that they had 23 years ago. Technology has moved in leaps and bounds in the 16 year gap between the first Batman movie and the Chris Nolan trilogy so now a days fight scenes can look more awesome, and bat suits could be more advanced. But I still thought the movies were great because they had a good story to them and Keaton did do a good job of portraying a dark batman.
@Vance Astro said:
@comicdude23 said:The first one is better.@Vance Astro said:
@GillaDro said:This.Keaton wins. Game over. next.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T78lwKBIQYs
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@BiteMe-Fanboy said:
Keaton's Batman isn't a quitter. Point made.
Keaton's Batman can't take on an army of S.W.A.T, point made?
@comicdude23 said:
@BiteMe-Fanboy said:
Keaton's Batman isn't a quitter. Point made.
Keaton's Batman can't take on an army of S.W.A.T, point made?
Did it show Keaton's Batman taking on a swat team and getting defeated? No... So you really don't know if he could or not. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean he can or cannot.
@BiteMe-Fanboy, calling Keaton better because he isn't a quitter is a bad point. Him quitting was for the story, it's a classic story of Batman having to return.
@comicdude23 said:
@BiteMe-Fanboy, calling Keaton better because he isn't a quitter is a bad point. Him quitting was for the story, it's a classic story of Batman having to return.
I wasn't being serious.
He could have if he wanted to.@BiteMe-Fanboy said:
Keaton's Batman isn't a quitter. Point made.
Keaton's Batman can't take on an army of S.W.A.T, point made?
@Vance Astro, doubtful. If you look at the scene Bale was turning his neck alot, looking up, left and right. He was also very precise when fighting them and was able to disable armed S.W.A.T, whilst saving the hostages at the same time. He had Fox's guidance but was able to use the Sonar tech very well. Even when they had him at gun point he had everything planned, and proceeds to kick the S.W.A.T off the building. He was fast and accurate, this is the Batman we needed to see in a movie, fast, skillful, resourceful and intelligent. Keaton's Batman was very slow and restricted in movement so I doubt he could.
Prefer the keaton vid to the bale one
That batmobile is the one in the comics
That bgm is similar to the one in the animated series
He uses more gadgets , not high tech toys
In the begins video there is no 'fight' scene just usage of horror movie elements to ambush foes and shake cam
even IN TDK the combat speed when he was in the center was normal speed, with shifting camera angles
I agree on the Batmobile. But it's only similar to the TAS version because TAS was based on the Burton movies. Bale's "toys" were gadgets, that speed was faster than Keaton's.
@comicdude23 said:
@Vance Astro, doubtful. If you look at the scene Bale was turning his neck alot, looking up, left and right. He was also very precise when fighting them and was able to disable armed S.W.A.T, whilst saving the hostages at the same time. He had Fox's guidance but was able to use the Sonar tech very well. Even when they had him at gun point he had everything planned, and proceeds to kick the S.W.A.T off the building. He was fast and accurate, this is the Batman we needed to see in a movie, fast, skillful, resourceful and intelligent. Keaton's Batman was very slow and restricted in movement so I doubt he could.
Going to have to chime in here on this old thread, simply to say I think your being a bit unfair in your comparison between a set of movies with more than a fifteen year gap in between. I could be wrong but I remember seeing batman 23 years ago when it first came out in 89 I was 9 years old, no child that was my age that saw batman were complaining about the things you are complaining about with Keaton's character. Which leads me to believe that you are another one of those critics that grew up and saw Nolan's films in their proper timeline and saw the Burton films after their timeline and immediately started picking Keaton's Batman apart, completely ignoring the fact that any movies filmed in the late 80 and early 90's would obviously be considered silly compared to movies created in 2002 and up. It's just an unfair comparison is all, and a 15 year gap is a big one especially in terms of hand to hand combat in films. No actor was fighting like a real martial artist in films back then unless they were actually a martial artist, now or days fight choreographers can make anyone look like a master. Also those movement restrictions you point out about Keaton's Batman was a technical difficulty of the suit for acting purposes, however I did here Keaton say that he had a hard time turning his neck and even hearing in the suit. These flaws did not apply in film and should not be a negative factor for Keaton's batman they simply made bad Bat suits back then. I personally think with Nolan films a lot of people have just been hit with that "new car smell", the movie is fresh and new. Also one last thing about the fighting it should be plain to see that Keaton's Batman was a one hitter quitter Batman, some artist portray batman as the super Bruce Lee type and some portray him as a guy who is so strong he can lay you down in one hit and this is another obvious view Burton was going for. I actually thought he fought very well at the time, and he got the job done. To add to that every criminal he fought went down in just one or two hits except for the guy he took on with TWO Katana blades using only Kenpo, so Keaton's batman was not completely without martial arts skills he was also using what worked most effectively Only recently I'd say about the past 18-20 years has there been so much emphasis placed on Batman being a master martial artist over him being a detective, and in Batman and Batman returns Keaton was proven to be a more confident experienced Batman with better detective skills and a better handle of situations. Keaton's Batman was also clearly older, and he had been batman for a while and he was more use to being Bruce Wayne and Batman at the same time. I don't think there was ever a part in those films when he didn't have everything under control. Bales Batman was still somewhat of a Rookie and even though he had drive wits and determination he still needed guidance and help, Keaton's Batman needed no help needed no saving and he could repair his own equipment. Both of these films are good and should both be enjoyed, but Burton's Batman is a classic and it paved the way for Nolan's. "who are you?".....I'm Batman. That never ever get's old to me and It hasn't to the rest of the world either, we have Keaton's Batman to thank for that not Nolan's.----End Rant
Sword fight using Kenpo or a form of Karate....not that much unlike Bale's Batman...
One to two hitter quitter Batman
@Vance Astro said:
@comicdude23 said:Micheal Keaton was a better Bruce Wayne. His demeanor and his look matched how I would picture Bruce if he was a real person. As Batman he's better at pulling off the intimidation factor than Bale, as far as acting he was just better. If we are talking about action scenes, remember we are comparing an 80's action film to a modern action film. These days, just about anyone can me made to look convincing in combat (not that Keaton wasn't).@Vance Astro, lol no. Explain why you said that.
I agree with this completely. Keaton is so much better than Bale in my opinion.
He failed at being smart. He came off as so... nerdy, rather than generally brilliant. He had like, reading glasses while he sat in his library. It was so lame. He is also not not physically correct for the role, has a funny voice, didn't act the part very well, sucked at fight scenes... etc.
Wow you must have dull taste, but oh well, his portrayal was pretty good. And even if Bale went back in time to be Batman in the 80s you got to keep in mind we didn't have that many special effects or materials to work with like we do today, so you can't criticize Keaton's Batman for not being able to move that was the technology of the time. And some people hate Keaton for not looking like an esteemed Bruce Wayne, well that's too bad you cant expect everything to be perfect, besides in that time I'm sure not many esteemed looking people cared to play a dude who runs around at night dressed as a Bat during the 80s.
Keaton was a better Batman in my opinion and I think that all the things about fights, physique, etc. just seem like nitpicking to me. Science has advanced a lot since the 1989 film, think about the diets actors like Christian Bale, Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr. etc. need to be on in order to get in the shape that they need to be in for these movies. We WEREN'T aware of that health science when the first Batman was filmed. The reason why Keaton is a better Batman/Bruce Wayne to me is because he feels like a much more tragic character. In the scenes where he is Bruce Wayne in the Mansion, he's constantly fidgeting around and on the edge of his seat, he feels like he doesn't belong there. In the cave, he acts completely differently because he knows that's where he belongs. Finally How can you claim that the Wayne's death's were never a driving force in Keaton's Batman? He thought about them constantly, he had Alfred get the case file concerning their deaths and he visited Crime Alley and left roses (Something Bale and Nolan NEVER did in any of their movies). Don't get me wrong Nolan's Movies are great but I prefer Keaton as Batman.
@comicdude23 said:
Let's list the flaws in his Batman/Bruce Wayne.
I'll list one - He could barely move.
That's representative of the technology of the time and what could be done. If you saw that movie when it game out, you'd have been blown away. Christian Bale's Batman couldn't move too much either in Batman Begins, he had the same cowl/neck issues preventing head turning.
@PsychoKnights said:
@Frozen: I can only think of one scene where Batman moved, and that was the sword fight at the end. In every other scene with the suit in Batman Begins, the action was lousy.
It was much better in The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises to be honest.
@Frozen said:
@PsychoKnights said:
@Frozen: I can only think of one scene where Batman moved, and that was the sword fight at the end. In every other scene with the suit in Batman Begins, the action was lousy.
It was much better in The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises to be honest.
Most definitely.
Amen.In every other scene with the suit in Batman Begins, the action was lousy.
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