Batman
Character » Batman appears in 23635 issues.
Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
Under the red hood or mask of the phantasm
These two movies are easily my favorite Batman movies of all time, better than any live action/animated/etc movie lol
Right now, I'm leaning more towards Mask of the Phantasm, but these two are top notch. I'm betting the upcoming animated Batman Year One will be just as amazing if not better though...
Under the Red Hood, definitely. Not saying Mask of the Phantasm isn't amazing, though.
great opinions. I think im leading more towards under the red hood though... mask of the phantasm is still amazing though
Under The Red Hood alone destroys any animated comic book film.
Now against Mask Of The Phantasm ? Tough, but it even defeats that classic.
They can't be compared. They are much different. Mask of the Phantasm is THE best batman film ever made. Under the Red Hood is good, but really?
They can't be compared. They are much different. Mask of the Phantasm is THE best batman film ever made. Under the Red Hood is good, but really?You're confusing it with The Dark Knight.
But would you really say getting the mythos is all there is to a good Batman film ?
Until then, Under The Red Hood kicked Mask Of The Phantasm's butt !
I'm shocking myself with this answer but, I think Red Hood is a better movie.
Reasons:lots more action I suppose. Mask is great and fantastic the first time, but it's a crime/mystery film. so second viewings aren't the same. Red hood is a delight to watch again and again
I feel the exact same way
These two movies are easily my favorite Batman movies of all time, better than any live action/animated/etc movie lol Right now, I'm leaning more towards Mask of the Phantasm, but these two are top notch. I'm betting the upcoming animated Batman Year One will be just as amazing if not better though...
I lol'ed.
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Mask of the Phantasm reminds me how much of a fantastic character Batman is. Under the Red Hood is good, but it doesn't have a strong atmosphere. It feels unpopulated and empty while Mask of the Phantasm gets Gotham perfectly and feels just a small bit exaggerated, intentionally. Under the Red Hood was not better written because it wasn't original. It also had a lot of forced dialogue and a lot sounded cheesy. Mask of the Phantasm gets everyone perfectly. Everything sounds smooth and sounds like it's something the given character would say. The plot was original for it's time and it had a a great mystery. As well as that, it has an excellent situation of Batman not wanting to fight crime for a living and settle down with the woman he loves. He shows that he really is willing to overcome his parents' death and truly move on by living peacefully. In Under the Red Hood whether you new who Red Hood was from the comics or not, it is pretty obvious who it is. There is no reason to have all those flashbacks without connecting to the mystery. Also, a very important part is that Bruce Wayne is actually used and used very well and correct in MOTP. It still feels natural and differentiated to the the fake Bruce Wayne. It also gets Batman's determination and strong will just right and can show anyone new to the character just what he's about. In Under The Red Hood, you already have to understand the character well to appreciate it more. Also we can't forget about the common criminal thug educating one another on who's who in the Batman family with shared identities. I'm going too far with the writing part, but I don't think it's any surprise that the writing is superior in MOTP.
The animation in Under the Hood had no sense of identity and was good but not unique or stylized. Especially those horrible CG chases. In MOTP the animation was completely unique, had it's own style and identity and felt like Gotham City. In Under the Hood the city didn't feel like it had a strong atmosphere. It could easily be mistaken with an amalgalm of New York and Chicago. As well as that it felt dark. Not TOO dark but just the right feel. It felt like it was infested with crime and bad people. It felt like the Bronze Age Denny O Neill Batman. Under the Red Hood felt too bright.
The voice acting. The voice acting was good in Under the Red Hood. Just good. Batman was good but had hardly any emotion. I know Batman has difficulty expressing emotion as a character but you'd feel his emotions through his voice. In this he is just angry. When he sees Jason again he doesn't have anything to show for it. In the flashback scenes he sounds like he's pretending to be happy and sounds like the fake Bruce Wayne. Jensen Ackles I didn't like. All of his dialogue felt really stiff and forced. He didn't feel like Jason Todd (which adds bad to the writing). Everything he said sounded the same with the same emotion. He felt too bland and dull. Black Mask was good but felt a little exaggerated but i'll let that go because he's..well.... crazy! Everyone else did a decent job. I liked John DiMaggio's Joker. Mask of the Phantasm's voice acting was fantastic. Batman sounded perfect and his emotions were expertly executed. Every scene where Batman is in a somewhat state of depression, you really, really feel for him. He sounds really down and sounds like he is holding in his tears. That is rarely done without sounding weird or being a failure. Kevin Conroy can also differentiate between the young, inexperienced, Bruce Wayne who really isn't completely aware of the state of the city, or at least through his eyes. He sounds much happier and younger than the Bruce Wayne in present time during the movie. His inner struggle is really felt through his voice while trying to find a solution to how he is going to live his life from then on. Kevin Conroy is excellent at voice acting and really knows how to sound frustrated which is an important factor in this film. The Joker. Hands down, i'm saying it, my favorite voice acting performance I have ever heard was Mark Hamill's Joker in this film. I really don't need to explain how powerful it was. I doubt you disagree how great that performance is so lets move on. Andrea Beaumont's voice felt perfect. It felt like someone who was a strong female who didn't need Batman. She just loved him deeply and so did he.. Their chemistry is fantastic. They have a mutual curiosity with one another which is very important considering who they are and it doesn't feel one bit forced.
Action scenes. If you're really questioning me about movie criteria you really shouldn't use action scenes as an excuse. BMOTP isn't an action movie. It is a drama/mystery and that is exactly what it achieves. I really am not arguing because half of UTRH was action and that's not what you should look for in film criteria. UTRH was more action packed but for different reasons.
For the characterizations I basically explained above how MOTP is superior and saying that UTRH is far superior is ridiculous. Same goes for emotional resonance. Mask of the Phantasm is a masterpiece especially considering that area. With the mythos. The mythos should be contained in every feature of a batman film and UTRH just doesn't have it. Simple as. I already explained how essential it is.
Is that good enough for movie criteria? Yeah.... Okay. Now you're going to think i'm an ass or something but really. With MOTP, if you look into it it's just simply a far better film. I'm saying this because you can enjoy it much more. Do I dislike or think under the red hood is bad? No I don't. I actually like it a lot but it's not comparable to MOTP. Please do not take this negatively. I was just defending one of my favorite films.
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