Snyder's New 52 Batman - Overhyped?

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Posted by knighthood (1917 posts) 3 years, 4 months ago

Poll: Snyder's New 52 Batman - Overhyped? (94 votes)

Nope. It is the best Batman series ever. 16%
Not really. Snyder's run matches up with other classic Batman stories. 36%
A little, but it's still a great read. 17%
Pretty much, but there are some great moments. 16%
Yes. The series is way overhyped. I do not understand all the attention it gets. (Don't ban us Tony) 15%

The poll is fairly straight forward. Here is my perspective, out of the 24 issues I've only had 3 or 4 that I've really enjoyed. And one of those was the Mr. Freeze annual, so it should count. After being disappointed by Death of the Family and reading sub-par issues 19 & 20, I decided to drop Batman. But I kept hearing positive things about Year Zero, so I gave Snyder and company one more chance and picked up issues 21 and 22 yesterday. I wasn't impressed. I'm curious what everyone else thinks.

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#1 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23390 posts) - - Show Bio

There are two schools of thought on Snyder's Batman;

There are those who believe it a derivative, pointlessly gratuitous piece of egotistical garbage.

Then there are those who are wrong.

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#2 Edited by TDK_1997 (17392 posts) - - Show Bio

Way overhyped.

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#3 Posted by Wolverine008 (50841 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Batman, but this series is just mediocre. I really don't get the hype for it.

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#4 Edited by consolemaster001 (6935 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really

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#5 Posted by entropy_aegis (18171 posts) - - Show Bio

There are two schools of thought on Snyder's Batman;

There are those who believe it a derivative, pointlessly gratuitous piece of egotistical garbage.

Then there are those who are wrong.

What amazes me is the amount of love it gets.

I love Batman, but this series is just mediocre. I really don't get the hype for it.

This.

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#6 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (9094 posts) - - Show Bio

It's over hyped. I much prefer Grant Morrison's Batman Inc and his Batman run.

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#7 Posted by longbowhunter (9414 posts) - - Show Bio

It is a bit overhyped but I like it.

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#8 Posted by QueenCorp15 (1058 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Mirror is ine of thr best batman stories EVER TOLD!!!!!

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#9 Posted by MasterDetective (1489 posts) - - Show Bio

Best Batman ever. End of thread.

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#10 Edited by theTimeStreamer (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Batman, but this series is just mediocre. I really don't get the hype for it.

the truth

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#11 Edited by V_Scarlotte_Rose (6732 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a few issues behind(I get the British reprint series and it's only up to #18), and I've thought it was pretty good. Not terrible, not amazing, but worth a read.

I do think some of the reactions I've seen have overhyped it a bit.

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#13 Posted by knighthood (1917 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Mirror is ine of thr best batman stories EVER TOLD!!!!!

That could be true, but the question was specifically about the New 52 Batman series.

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#14 Posted by Kwodam (122 posts) - - Show Bio

I think scott snyders amazing and give him a few more years.

And his gonno be alan moore/grant morrison/geoff johns level famous.

But yes it is overhyped. B

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#15 Posted by John Valentine (16467 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt said:

There are two schools of thought on Snyder's Batman;

There are those who believe it a derivative, pointlessly gratuitous piece of egotistical garbage.

Then there are those who are wrong.

Lol, this a hardcore Morrison fan's view on Snyder's work?

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#16 Posted by JamesKM716 (2018 posts) - - Show Bio

Court of Owls is a new classic.

Death of the Family is a fantastic focus on the relationship ebtween Batman and Joker, but not good for a monthly title.

Zero Year is meh.

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#17 Posted by Al_capOWN (646 posts) - - Show Bio

batman is awesome, new 52 batman is one of the best batman runs....but hey haters gonna hate.

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#18 Posted by slade_wilson (776 posts) - - Show Bio

There have been better stories and better writers. There have been way better stories and way better writers. But Snyder has been killing it in terms of originality and a look into Bruce's psyche. But seeing how this thread is essentially an invitation to all those who have beef with the title, I won't try to argue with anyone.

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#19 Edited by John Valentine (16467 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameskm716 said:

Court of Owls is a new classic.

Death of the Family is a fantastic focus on the relationship ebtween Batman and Joker, but not good for a monthly title.

Zero Year is meh.

New classic? Debatable. I find the entire premise of the Court so hard to fathom; that there was some organisation so secretive and clever that even the Batman wasn't aware of for so many years, especially with all the stuff that's happened to him in recents years (I'm looking at you Black Glove society). They only way I can reconcile this is that their existance is some ripple effect from Flashpoint. This annoyance aside, I did enjoy the arc! Oh, I also don't care for Harper Row.

Death of the Family was so dreadfully marketed that it ended up being the one of the biggest disappointments from DC in recent years that I can recall.

Zero Year has had like two issues at present. Too early to judge.

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#20 Posted by MysteriousUsername (1235 posts) - - Show Bio

Read a bit of it, didn't really get the hype.

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#21 Edited by JamesKM716 (2018 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameskm716 said:

Court of Owls is a new classic.

Death of the Family is a fantastic focus on the relationship ebtween Batman and Joker, but not good for a monthly title.

Zero Year is meh.

New classic? Debatable. I find the entire premise of the Court so hard to fathom; that there was some organisation so secretive and clever that even the Batman wasn't aware of for so many years, especially with all the stuff that's happened to him in recents years (I'm looking at you Black Glove society). They only way I can reconcile this is that their existance is some ripple effect from Flashpoint. This annoyance aside, I did enjoy the arc! Oh, I also don't care for Harper row.

Death of the Family was so dreadfully marketed that it ended up being the one of the biggest disappointments from DC in recent years that I can recall.

Zero Year has had like two issues at present. Too early to judge.

Fair, I mostly say that because he introduced a new villain that wasn't awful; the Court of Owls, Talon and Thomas Wayne Jr. And also Personally I just really enjoyed it. Granted, I wasn't reading comics when they did Black Glove. I will say though, i agree, that Harper Row sucks.

That was really the problem with it. It wasn't a bad story, but they marketed it as a game changer, when it was really just a love letter to teh relationship between Batman and Joker. It's incredibly well written, but would have been much better as a non-New 52 graphic novel.

That's true. I'm jsut not a fan of going back and showing Batman's origin again. Not because I think it's poorly written, I've just seen his origin a dozen times.

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#22 Edited by Wolverine008 (50841 posts) - - Show Bio

@jameskm716 said:

Court of Owls is a new classic.

Death of the Family is a fantastic focus on the relationship ebtween Batman and Joker, but not good for a monthly title.

Zero Year is meh.

New classic? Debatable. I find the entire premise of the Court so hard to fathom; that there was some organisation so secretive and clever that even the Batman wasn't aware of for so many years, especially with all the stuff that's happened to him in recents years (I'm looking at you Black Glove society). They only way I can reconcile this is that their existance is some ripple effect from Flashpoint. This annoyance aside, I did enjoy the arc! Oh, I also don't care for Harper row.

Death of the Family was so dreadfully marketed that it ended up being the one of the biggest disappointments from DC in recent years that I can recall.

Zero Year has had like two issues at present. Too early to judge.

This.

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#23 Posted by John Valentine (16467 posts) - - Show Bio

That was really the problem with it. It wasn't a bad story, but they marketed it as a game changer, when it was really just a love letter to teh relationship between Batman and Joker. It's incredibly well written, but would have been much better as a non-New 52 graphic novel.

That's true. I'm jsut not a fan of going back and showing Batman's origin again. Not because I think it's poorly written, I've just seen his origin a dozen times.

I can get over the mild annoyance, at least they're good villains. Thomas Wayne Jr. is a potentially an iconic villain for Batman. Imagine a triangle with him at once corner, Joker at the other and Batman at the other. Nice to have the symmetry with Earth 2 too.

I wonder if the ramifications of DoTF will actually last? Problem with DoTF is that we haven't really yet had a chance to see the full extent of the relationships between the different members of the Bat family. Also, its release was terribly, terribly timed next to the events going down in Morrison's Incorporated.

I like Year One (though I'm not a massive fan of Miller in general) but I think it's about time Batman's origin was updated for the New 52.

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#24 Edited by Breadspread (771 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty much, but great moments.

I enjoy his writing, but a lot of people think he is the greatest...I think he is over-hyped!

I believe he could become one of the greatest. I think his best is yet to come.

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#25 Posted by Durakken (1930 posts) - - Show Bio

Court of Owls is derivative of The Order of St Dumas and the League of Assassins... and doesn't make sense as others have mentioned. There isn't any reason however that there couldn't be a a Court of Owls that formed in the USA... I'd use the NWO mythos and say the Illuminati and Free Masons are really where there roots are but the Court of Owls spawned from them in the New World and dissociated themselves from those groups and then it makes sense for Haley's Circus and it makes sense for them to now attack Bruce as you could claim he poses a threat to them, especially with allies like Superman... you could then also tie this in with things like the JLA and JLD and perhaps the Trinity War what with the Question likely putting these things together... So fixing it to not be Gotham specific leads to so much greater potential, and makes more sense, but instead it's just a poor mans League and St. Dumas

The Death of the Family was a stunning example of just how much Snyder and the people writing these books don't understand any of these characters or care about them. It's not only that the whole thing is a poor interpretation... it's also that it is a cliche interpretation of those who want to say something smart sounding about Batman but really don't understand him or any of the characters surrounding him. It's insulting that the best this high paid so-called creative intelligent person can come up with is not a new interpretation on a character but the same schlock two bit hacks on just about any forums comes up with... yeah, money well spent v.v

Year Zero... so far it's meh. It doesn't keep it's own time line straight, says it's not over writing Year One but clearly is, and, like with all the other Batman villains so far messed around with by these idiots, makes Joker just another psychopath or a criminal with gimmick. Joker has lost all that made him interesting under Snyder and instead of the interesting characters that present us readers with challenging philosophies and view points we are instead getting "Oh he's just crazy" rather than "He's got a point, but they take it too far"

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#26 Posted by knighthood (1917 posts) - - Show Bio

The few things I've really enjoyed was Thomas Wayne Jr and the Joker's massacre at Gotham PD. Somethings are absolutely ridiculous. Why did Batman need to punch a horse? I do not understand.

It's interesting that the 5 answers are evenly split.

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#27 Posted by tec79 (177 posts) - - Show Bio

I have stated my opinion in other forums on Snyders run, I voted over hyped but enjoyable.

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#28 Posted by Extremis (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

Court of Owls: loved it

Second arc: Not as good but still not bad

Death of the family: ehhhh, kind of an overrated arc, didn't really do much to the status quo

Batman Zero Year: total shit so far. Unnecessary.

Scott Snyder has gone from one of my favorite writers to very "meh" for me. I'm also about to drop Batman. I was one of those who stood up for Zero Year before its release. But lets be honest, now that its come out there's no denying how unnecessary this story is. Plus its bored me to tears seeing Batman's origin again. Just end it already and bring back the Court. Anyway, hard to believe I'm saying this, but I'll probably be dropping Batman.

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#29 Posted by MuyJingo (2859 posts) - - Show Bio

He writes batman as more pf a physical brute, and less of an intellectual and detective. He has made him arrogant and rather unlikeable.

The stories suffer for this, with him doing stupid stuff like telling Joker his identity and refusing to investigate the court for the longest time because "he looked into it" as a child.

I much preferred Morison's run.

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#30 Edited by Eternal19 (2178 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

He writes batman as more pf a physical brute, and less of an intellectual and detective. He has made him arrogant and rather unlikeable.

The stories suffer for this, with him doing stupid stuff like telling Joker his identity and refusing to investigate the court for the longest time because "he looked into it" as a child.

I much preferred Morison's run.

The first part is especially true in Zero Year. Snyders Batman Is really annoying right now.

I agree that that was really bad writing on Snyders part, Why would Bruce risk telling Joker his secret Identity just to prove a point?

Morrison's run had some pretty bad moments as well, Batman and Son was just Okay and Batman R.I.P. was mediocre in my opinion. Im still convinced that Jeph Loeb is the best Batman writer

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#31 Edited by knighthood (1917 posts) - - Show Bio

Im still convinced that Jeph Loeb is the best Batman writer

Greg Rucka or Denny O'neil for me.

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#32 Posted by jayc1324 (20841 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman being annoying is showing how immature he is right now and gives him room to grow as a hero. It's not overhyped at all to me. They are great and no one claimed they were the best stories ever

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#33 Posted by TheBlueAngel93 (21064 posts) - - Show Bio

I felt Death of the Family got a little over hyped, but I thought the Court of Owls storyline was amazing and one of the best storylines, so far, from the New 52.

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#34 Edited by JamesKM716 (2018 posts) - - Show Bio

@john_valentine: exactly what I meant, Thomas Wayne Jr. Can easily become a new iconic villain.

The problem with DotF, is Batman Incorporated invalidates it. The families all like we're going to not trust each other or like each other anymore. Then we see that they're all together fighting Leviathan. It ruins DotF's ending.

That's fair, but I think it's a tad too long for that. A simple 3 issue arc could I relate the origin but instead they're doing 11 issues...

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#35 Posted by DylanOfEarth2 (131 posts) - - Show Bio

I love the run, but I dont think its the most amazing things ever. one big problem is snyder dose not know how to write a good ending to an arc.

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#36 Posted by daredevil21134 (15806 posts) - - Show Bio

It's as overhyped as Mark Waid's Daredevil

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#37 Posted by Reignmaker (2416 posts) - - Show Bio

It's good. Not the best, but good. Classic, straightforward Batman stories are back and I couldn't be happier. People forget that Capullo is also a big reason why this book is successful. Morrison never had this kind of consistency with his artists. And Denny O'Neil was the greatest Batman writer ever. He set the stage for Miller, brought Batman back to his noir detective roots, created Ras, wrote some of the best Joker stories ever, etc.

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#38 Posted by RustyRoy (16419 posts) - - Show Bio

Its very overhyped but still its not that bad and got some cool moments, I feel its okay, not great not very good just okay.

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#39 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23390 posts) - - Show Bio

@john_valentine said:

@fadetoblackbolt said:

There are two schools of thought on Snyder's Batman;

There are those who believe it a derivative, pointlessly gratuitous piece of egotistical garbage.

Then there are those who are wrong.

Lol, this a hardcore Morrison fan's view on Snyder's work?

It's the view of a (one of the, on this site) hardcore Batman fan.

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#40 Posted by entropy_aegis (18171 posts) - - Show Bio

@john_valentine: exactly what I meant, Thomas Wayne Jr. Can easily become a new iconic villain.

The problem with DotF, is Batman Incorporated invalidates it. The families all like we're going to not trust each other or like each other anymore. Then we see that they're all together fighting Leviathan. It ruins DotF's ending.

That's fair, but I think it's a tad too long for that. A simple 3 issue arc could I relate the origin but instead they're doing 11 issues...

No he really cant,he's just a terrible,useless, nonsensical villain who started off as a nobody with zero personality and ended up becoming the villain cause the writer had pinned himself in to a corner.If Johns debuts a new Owlman in Forever Evil then this guy will be completely forgotten,he'll go the way of Hush,a villain who looked cool but had a shitty background and motivation and was not even original. Morrison even made fun of villains like these(the fall of Doctor Hurt),heck despite being a satire of characters like Hush and Lincoln Hurt STILL ended up being far more dangerous and intriguing.

Wrath is gonna be THE anti-Batman after Layman is done with him mark my words.

@muyjingo said:

He writes batman as more pf a physical brute, and less of an intellectual and detective. He has made him arrogant and rather unlikeable.

The stories suffer for this, with him doing stupid stuff like telling Joker his identity and refusing to investigate the court for the longest time because "he looked into it" as a child.

I much preferred Morison's run.

The first part is especially true in Zero Year. Snyders Batman Is really annoying right now.

I agree that that was really bad writing on Snyders part, Why would Bruce risk telling Joker his secret Identity just to prove a point?

Morrison's run had some pretty bad moments as well, Batman and Son was just Okay and Batman R.I.P. was mediocre in my opinion. Im still convinced that Jeph Loeb is the best Batman writer

If Jeph Loeb had written RIP it would've ended up with Bane secretly being El Sombero pulling the strings behind Hurt and allowing the Joker to kill him for a misdirect,and Batman going WTF.

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#41 Posted by sinestro_GL (3651 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that I could barely sleep the day before the finale for Death of the Family was released pays tribute to what I think of Snyder's run.

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#42 Posted by entropy_aegis (18171 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that I could barely sleep the day before the finale for Death of the Family was released pays tribute to what I think of Snyder's run.

Psst it's just one day,I've been unable to sleep properly ever since Snyder took over.

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#43 Posted by sinestro_GL (3651 posts) - - Show Bio

@sinestro_gl said:

The fact that I could barely sleep the day before the finale for Death of the Family was released pays tribute to what I think of Snyder's run.

Psst it's just one day,I've been unable to sleep properly ever since Snyder took over.

haha, fair play

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#44 Posted by Eternal19 (2178 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt: I agree with your view on snyders batman work. But just out of curiosity what. Batman run is the best in your opinion

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#45 Edited by lvenger (29528 posts) - - Show Bio

@fadetoblackbolt: I agree with your view on snyders batman work. But just out of curiosity what. Batman run is the best in your opinion

Morrison's run is Fade's favourite Batman run of all time. I'll let him explain why though :P

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#46 Posted by Durakken (1930 posts) - - Show Bio

Chuck Dixon is probably the best over all Batman writer...

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#47 Posted by knighthood (1917 posts) - - Show Bio

People forget that Capullo is also a big reason why this book is successful. Morrison never had this kind of consistency with his artists. And Denny O'Neil was the greatest Batman writer ever. He set the stage for Miller, brought Batman back to his noir detective roots, created Ras, wrote some of the best Joker stories ever, etc.

Ditto on the O'Neil thoughts. I do disagree about Capullo, but that's just me. I've never like Capullo's art.

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