Snyder is a basic b~tch.
Batman
Character » Batman appears in 23537 issues.
Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
Scott Snyder's batman vs Grant Morrison's batman
@entropy_aegis said:
Actually INC is the main story,it started with Damian & Talia and it's gonna end with them,granted I prefer his Batman & Robin to Batman Incorporated.
Oh :(
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@JoeEddie said:
Snyder for me. I do not like Morrison as a writer or as a person. New X-Men, Cassandra Nova, changing Beast's appearance, publicity stated that Batman is gay, having Joker imply that there is a homosexual relationship, and because of the age difference you know what else this implies, between Batman and Robin in Arkham Asylum: Serious House/Serious Earth and the list goes on. All of this is from Morrison.
@Harlekin said:
Morrison gave us Damian Wayne so he wins.
By taking an idea from an Elseworld story that he did not even read.
Point being he expanded on someone's else work and gave us Damian Wayne. Go Damian!
@Gambit1024 said:
I liked Morrison's.
I love Snyder's.
But Paul Dini's better than both of 'em. :P
Ha, not sure about Paul Dini being better than both...
@John Valentine: Well, I'm over-exaggerating a little. I do that, lol.
Seriously though, all of my absolute favorite Batman work has been under Dini's pen. If you wanna get technical, yes, the Arkham Asylum game was based on Morrison's story, but Mask of the Phantasm, Arkham City, Heart of Ice, etc. were all his babies. As far as comic book runs go, I'm a huge fan of what Snyder's been doing, so I'll say him for right now (because he's still not done). Morrison's Arkham Asylum was probably my absolute favorite thing he ever wrote, so Batman one-shot's go to him. Batman stories in general, in my opinion, go to Dini.
@Gambit1024 said:
I liked Morrison's.
I love Snyder's.
But Paul Dini's better than both of 'em. :P
Swap Morrison and Snyder and you get my exact same thoughts.
EDIT: Except for the Arkham games, his writing sucks there.
@Gambit1024 said:
@John Valentine: Well, I'm over-exaggerating a little. I do that, lol.
Seriously though, all of my absolute favorite Batman work has been under Dini's pen. If you wanna get technical, yes, the Arkham Asylum game was based on Morrison's story, but Mask of the Phantasm, Arkham City, Heart of Ice, etc. were all his babies. As far as comic book runs go, I'm a huge fan of what Snyder's been doing, so I'll say him for right now (because he's still not done). Morrison's Arkham Asylum was probably my absolute favorite thing he ever wrote, so Batman one-shot's go to him. Batman stories in general, in my opinion, go to Dini.
Dini is great.
I don't like his comic book work as much as Snyder or Morrisson, but it's still good.
His comic-related stuff, various Batman Animated Series and video games, is incredible, though.
Snyder easily. But i hate Morrison's Batman (save for Ressurection of Ra's al Ghul, and Batman and Son)
@Zella said:
I like Morrison's more, loved Batman and Robin when it was Dick and Damien.
Batman and Robin was fantastic.
@Gambit1024 said:
@John Valentine: Well, I'm over-exaggerating a little. I do that, lol.
Seriously though, all of my absolute favorite Batman work has been under Dini's pen. If you wanna get technical, yes, the Arkham Asylum game was based on Morrison's story, but Mask of the Phantasm, Arkham City, Heart of Ice, etc. were all his babies. As far as comic book runs go, I'm a huge fan of what Snyder's been doing, so I'll say him for right now (because he's still not done). Morrison's Arkham Asylum was probably my absolute favorite thing he ever wrote, so Batman one-shot's go to him. Batman stories in general, in my opinion, go to Dini.
Animated Series Batman to me is the definitive Batman. So for me Dini/Timm > Morrison > Snyder.
I don't get the love for Morrison.it isn't the silver age get your pulpy wierd confusing stuff out of my comic
Morrison for me. I liked Snyder's Batman work preFlashpoint, but his current run on Batman is just okay.
@Lvenger said:
@Onemoreposter said:
Morrison.
In my mind, these two authors's stories aren't even close in quality.
Personally I think their styles are too different to compare. Snyder does a better darker twisted Batman story but Morrison is better with big concept, obscure Silver Age revamped stories. They're too different to properly compare
See, I'm yet to be impressed by anything Snyder has done on Batman, pre or post crisis. He's in the "alright" category as far as I'm concerned. To me, his writing comes off as dumbed down, juvenile even. I haven't found anything thought provoking or novel in his work, just sort've reblended imaginings of what he thinks is "[dark and twisted]."
Not saying he's bad either. I did decide to stay on board with death of a family. He's just nothing particularly special.
This is like, for me anyways, trying to compare The Avengers to The Dark Knight Rises or The Amazing Spider-Man. Their styles and therefore their overall runs are completely different. Morrison's willing to do his own thing, to really go out there, and I love his inclusion/alteration of Silver Age works. His work on Batman and Robin was excellent, that being said I despise Batman Inc. On the other hand, Snyder's not necessarily the best Batman writer i've ever seen either, but he does a very good job making him dark and realistic I think.
Both are good regardless.
@Harlekin Have to agree with you there, I often tend to compare other Batman works to Batman the Animated Series and find them a little bit wanting.
@Gambit1024 that it was. The Long Halloween and The Haunted Knight are also both excellent.
@Nathaniel_Christopher said:
@Gambit1024 that it was. The Long Halloween and The Haunted Knight are also both excellent.
I just read Long Halloween the other day, actually. Not bad, but not great either. Planning to read Haunted Knight soon. Does Dark Victory happen before that, or does it not matter?
@Gambit1024 said:
@Nathaniel_Christopher said:
@Gambit1024 that it was. The Long Halloween and The Haunted Knight are also both excellent.
I just read Long Halloween the other day, actually. Not bad, but not great either. Planning to read Haunted Knight soon. Does Dark Victory happen before that, or does it not matter?
I thought it was a solid noir story.
Dark Victory is after Long Halloween. I actually believe Haunted Knight is before those two. I'm certain it was written before and it just collects three Batman adventures taking place around Halloween.
@knightofthechronicle said:
Tie, I seriously cannot choose between them without feeling like I'm betraying the other
i feel the same way...why choose which one is better, why not be hippies and love it all! im just glad to get all these nice stories!
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I don't think it's fair to compare as a Morrison story requires the ending to be complete so you should have to see Snyder's ending first to compare and contrast properly. Snyder's is clearly more accessible but other than that you can't say much at this point.
I have to give it to Scott. He tells a great story and in less than a year. Morrison is making a great big adventure but I like stories to have an end. I am sure Morrison will rap this up when Inc. ends but, still a year or two max for a story.
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
This thread depresses me, but it does not surprise me.
Thank you for saying this.
I've been a fan of Morrison's work for a while and I keep having the same argument with the people at my local comic store about Snyder's Batman. They love it. They think it's original and inventive and acts as some sort of renaissance for the character. In the same breath they reject everything Morrison has and continues to do with his stories. When I ask why I usually get answers similar to the ones I've seen here such as "he changed the way Beast looked in X-Men." I'm not even as fond of New X-Men as I am of his other work but either way I cannot understand why that matters. Who cares what Beast looks like?
From "Batman & Son" through Professor Pyg and now with Leviathon I am happy to say that I never know what will come next when reading Morrison's work. The Invisibles, Flex Mentallo, and JLA all laid out a love for superheroes and a desire to see them taken to the next conceptual level. The Court of Owls was just Batman running around covered in proverbial owl-sh*t. And I don't know what the heck is going on with the current story. Is that Joker covered under his own face? To add insult to injury most people I speak to about Snyder's work think that Capullo is some slick newcomer regardless of the fact that I’ve two long-boxes filled with comics that he worked on a decade ago.
I want to avoid assuming that most fans of mainstream superhero comics are stupid, but I don't know what else it could be. How is this even up for debate? How is the title of this thread even a f*cking question? Please someone, anyone, explain this to me.
@darquehex said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
This thread depresses me, but it does not surprise me.Thank you for saying this.
I've been a fan of Morrison's work for a while and I keep having the same argument with the people at my local comic store about Snyder's Batman. They love it. They think it's original and inventive and acts as some sort of renaissance for the character. In the same breath they reject everything Morrison has and continues to do with his stories. When I ask why I usually get answers similar to the ones I've seen here such as "he changed the way Beast looked in X-Men." I'm not even as fond of New X-Men as I am of his other work but either way I cannot understand why that matters. Who cares what Beast looks like?
From "Batman & Son" through Professor Pyg and now with Leviathon I am happy to say that I never know what will come next when reading Morrison's work. The Invisibles, Flex Mentallo, and JLA all laid out a love for superheroes and a desire to see them taken to the next conceptual level. The Court of Owls was just Batman running around covered in proverbial owl-sh*t. And I don't know what the heck is going on with the current story. Is that Joker covered under his own face? To add insult to injury most people I speak to about Snyder's work think that Capullo is some slick newcomer regardless of the fact that I’ve two long-boxes filled with comics that he worked on a decade ago.
I want to avoid assuming that most fans of mainstream superhero comics are stupid, but I don't know what else it could be. How is this even up for debate? How is the title of this thread even a f*cking question? Please someone, anyone, explain this to me.
I really enjoy Snyders run so far and i loved Morrisons im not really into Batman INC because i dont like the idea of Bruce saying he backs Batman operation i think it brings a huge connection to the two being one person but anyways have you read any of snyders of books like his detective comics run or American Vampire they are really great, and i know what you mean with Capullo he has been around forever he has some great covers from Image comics. I dont think that main stream comic readers are all stupid and i think thats really judgementle I feel it all comes down to what people feel Batman should be like and its all about taste and opinion some people hate what others love thats what makes us individuals so to you who is better snyder or morrison isnt a question bc you perfer morrison its all about opinion so there is no real answer.
@havoc1201 said:
@darquehex said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
This thread depresses me, but it does not surprise me.Thank you for saying this.
I've been a fan of Morrison's work for a while and I keep having the same argument with the people at my local comic store about Snyder's Batman. They love it. They think it's original and inventive and acts as some sort of renaissance for the character. In the same breath they reject everything Morrison has and continues to do with his stories. When I ask why I usually get answers similar to the ones I've seen here such as "he changed the way Beast looked in X-Men." I'm not even as fond of New X-Men as I am of his other work but either way I cannot understand why that matters. Who cares what Beast looks like?
From "Batman & Son" through Professor Pyg and now with Leviathon I am happy to say that I never know what will come next when reading Morrison's work. The Invisibles, Flex Mentallo, and JLA all laid out a love for superheroes and a desire to see them taken to the next conceptual level. The Court of Owls was just Batman running around covered in proverbial owl-sh*t. And I don't know what the heck is going on with the current story. Is that Joker covered under his own face? To add insult to injury most people I speak to about Snyder's work think that Capullo is some slick newcomer regardless of the fact that I’ve two long-boxes filled with comics that he worked on a decade ago.
I want to avoid assuming that most fans of mainstream superhero comics are stupid, but I don't know what else it could be. How is this even up for debate? How is the title of this thread even a f*cking question? Please someone, anyone, explain this to me.
I really enjoy Snyders run so far and i loved Morrisons im not really into Batman INC because i dont like the idea of Bruce saying he backs Batman operation i think it brings a huge connection to the two being one person but anyways have you read any of snyders of books like his detective comics run or American Vampire they are really great, and i know what you mean with Capullo he has been around forever he has some great covers from Image comics. I dont think that main stream comic readers are all stupid and i think thats really judgementle I feel it all comes down to what people feel Batman should be like and its all about taste and opinion some people hate what others love thats what makes us individuals so to you who is better snyder or morrison isnt a question bc you perfer morrison its all about opinion so there is no real answer.
Yeah, no. There is an answer and I'm pretty sure I had it at "judgementle."
@darquehex said:
@havoc1201 said:
@darquehex said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
This thread depresses me, but it does not surprise me.Thank you for saying this.
I've been a fan of Morrison's work for a while and I keep having the same argument with the people at my local comic store about Snyder's Batman. They love it. They think it's original and inventive and acts as some sort of renaissance for the character. In the same breath they reject everything Morrison has and continues to do with his stories. When I ask why I usually get answers similar to the ones I've seen here such as "he changed the way Beast looked in X-Men." I'm not even as fond of New X-Men as I am of his other work but either way I cannot understand why that matters. Who cares what Beast looks like?
From "Batman & Son" through Professor Pyg and now with Leviathon I am happy to say that I never know what will come next when reading Morrison's work. The Invisibles, Flex Mentallo, and JLA all laid out a love for superheroes and a desire to see them taken to the next conceptual level. The Court of Owls was just Batman running around covered in proverbial owl-sh*t. And I don't know what the heck is going on with the current story. Is that Joker covered under his own face? To add insult to injury most people I speak to about Snyder's work think that Capullo is some slick newcomer regardless of the fact that I’ve two long-boxes filled with comics that he worked on a decade ago.
I want to avoid assuming that most fans of mainstream superhero comics are stupid, but I don't know what else it could be. How is this even up for debate? How is the title of this thread even a f*cking question? Please someone, anyone, explain this to me.
I really enjoy Snyders run so far and i loved Morrisons im not really into Batman INC because i dont like the idea of Bruce saying he backs Batman operation i think it brings a huge connection to the two being one person but anyways have you read any of snyders of books like his detective comics run or American Vampire they are really great, and i know what you mean with Capullo he has been around forever he has some great covers from Image comics. I dont think that main stream comic readers are all stupid and i think thats really judgementle I feel it all comes down to what people feel Batman should be like and its all about taste and opinion some people hate what others love thats what makes us individuals so to you who is better snyder or morrison isnt a question bc you perfer morrison its all about opinion so there is no real answer.
Yeah, no. There is an answer and I'm pretty sure I had it at "judgementle."
*Judgmental
It's in question because different people have different opinions on what they like to see in a story and who's a better writer, or even what type of writing they prefer. Basically, @havoc1201 hit the nail on the head with the above bolded. Really what you're saying is like saying some people are stupid for choosing to like Batman the Brave and the Bold over Batman the Animated Series. Everyone has different tastes.
People who like The Brave and the Bold over Batman: the Animated Series are stupid.@darquehex said:
@havoc1201 said:
@darquehex said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
This thread depresses me, but it does not surprise me.Thank you for saying this.
I've been a fan of Morrison's work for a while and I keep having the same argument with the people at my local comic store about Snyder's Batman. They love it. They think it's original and inventive and acts as some sort of renaissance for the character. In the same breath they reject everything Morrison has and continues to do with his stories. When I ask why I usually get answers similar to the ones I've seen here such as "he changed the way Beast looked in X-Men." I'm not even as fond of New X-Men as I am of his other work but either way I cannot understand why that matters. Who cares what Beast looks like?
From "Batman & Son" through Professor Pyg and now with Leviathon I am happy to say that I never know what will come next when reading Morrison's work. The Invisibles, Flex Mentallo, and JLA all laid out a love for superheroes and a desire to see them taken to the next conceptual level. The Court of Owls was just Batman running around covered in proverbial owl-sh*t. And I don't know what the heck is going on with the current story. Is that Joker covered under his own face? To add insult to injury most people I speak to about Snyder's work think that Capullo is some slick newcomer regardless of the fact that I’ve two long-boxes filled with comics that he worked on a decade ago.
I want to avoid assuming that most fans of mainstream superhero comics are stupid, but I don't know what else it could be. How is this even up for debate? How is the title of this thread even a f*cking question? Please someone, anyone, explain this to me.
I really enjoy Snyders run so far and i loved Morrisons im not really into Batman INC because i dont like the idea of Bruce saying he backs Batman operation i think it brings a huge connection to the two being one person but anyways have you read any of snyders of books like his detective comics run or American Vampire they are really great, and i know what you mean with Capullo he has been around forever he has some great covers from Image comics. I dont think that main stream comic readers are all stupid and i think thats really judgementle I feel it all comes down to what people feel Batman should be like and its all about taste and opinion some people hate what others love thats what makes us individuals so to you who is better snyder or morrison isnt a question bc you perfer morrison its all about opinion so there is no real answer.
Yeah, no. There is an answer and I'm pretty sure I had it at "judgementle."
*Judgmental
It's in question because different people have different opinions on what they like to see in a story and who's a better writer, or even what type of writing they prefer. Basically, @havoc1201 hit the nail on the head with the above bolded. Really what you're saying is like saying some people are stupid for choosing to like Batman the Brave and the Bold over Batman the Animated Series. Everyone has different tastes.
Morrison is a great writer, but I prefer his Action Comics stuff. For Batman alone, I'd have to give it to Snyder
@darquehex said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
This thread depresses me, but it does not surprise me.Thank you for saying this.
I've been a fan of Morrison's work for a while and I keep having the same argument with the people at my local comic store about Snyder's Batman. They love it. They think it's original and inventive and acts as some sort of renaissance for the character. In the same breath they reject everything Morrison has and continues to do with his stories. When I ask why I usually get answers similar to the ones I've seen here such as "he changed the way Beast looked in X-Men." I'm not even as fond of New X-Men as I am of his other work but either way I cannot understand why that matters. Who cares what Beast looks like?
From "Batman & Son" through Professor Pyg and now with Leviathon I am happy to say that I never know what will come next when reading Morrison's work. The Invisibles, Flex Mentallo, and JLA all laid out a love for superheroes and a desire to see them taken to the next conceptual level. The Court of Owls was just Batman running around covered in proverbial owl-sh*t. And I don't know what the heck is going on with the current story. Is that Joker covered under his own face? To add insult to injury most people I speak to about Snyder's work think that Capullo is some slick newcomer regardless of the fact that I’ve two long-boxes filled with comics that he worked on a decade ago.
I want to avoid assuming that most fans of mainstream superhero comics are stupid, but I don't know what else it could be. How is this even up for debate? How is the title of this thread even a f*cking question? Please someone, anyone, explain this to me.
Yes this,Snyder follows a set formula in his work,if fans keep praising him like this then he's gonna end up becoming the next Jeph Loeb,or Johns.
16 issues in and what new concepts has Snyder introduced? compare it with Morrison's first 16 issues and the difference is staggering.
Also while Morrison packs his issues with events,Snyder merely writes as much dialogue and exposition as he can,it works for a while but seriously I dont need characters yapping about the same topic every other damn issue,get over with it man,show me something to justify all that tension and angst.
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@Nathaniel_Christopher said:People who like The Brave and the Bold over Batman: the Animated Series are stupid.@darquehex said:
@havoc1201 said:
@darquehex said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
This thread depresses me, but it does not surprise me.Thank you for saying this.
I've been a fan of Morrison's work for a while and I keep having the same argument with the people at my local comic store about Snyder's Batman. They love it. They think it's original and inventive and acts as some sort of renaissance for the character. In the same breath they reject everything Morrison has and continues to do with his stories. When I ask why I usually get answers similar to the ones I've seen here such as "he changed the way Beast looked in X-Men." I'm not even as fond of New X-Men as I am of his other work but either way I cannot understand why that matters. Who cares what Beast looks like?
From "Batman & Son" through Professor Pyg and now with Leviathon I am happy to say that I never know what will come next when reading Morrison's work. The Invisibles, Flex Mentallo, and JLA all laid out a love for superheroes and a desire to see them taken to the next conceptual level. The Court of Owls was just Batman running around covered in proverbial owl-sh*t. And I don't know what the heck is going on with the current story. Is that Joker covered under his own face? To add insult to injury most people I speak to about Snyder's work think that Capullo is some slick newcomer regardless of the fact that I’ve two long-boxes filled with comics that he worked on a decade ago.
I want to avoid assuming that most fans of mainstream superhero comics are stupid, but I don't know what else it could be. How is this even up for debate? How is the title of this thread even a f*cking question? Please someone, anyone, explain this to me.
I really enjoy Snyders run so far and i loved Morrisons im not really into Batman INC because i dont like the idea of Bruce saying he backs Batman operation i think it brings a huge connection to the two being one person but anyways have you read any of snyders of books like his detective comics run or American Vampire they are really great, and i know what you mean with Capullo he has been around forever he has some great covers from Image comics. I dont think that main stream comic readers are all stupid and i think thats really judgementle I feel it all comes down to what people feel Batman should be like and its all about taste and opinion some people hate what others love thats what makes us individuals so to you who is better snyder or morrison isnt a question bc you perfer morrison its all about opinion so there is no real answer.
Yeah, no. There is an answer and I'm pretty sure I had it at "judgementle."
*Judgmental
It's in question because different people have different opinions on what they like to see in a story and who's a better writer, or even what type of writing they prefer. Basically, @havoc1201 hit the nail on the head with the above bolded. Really what you're saying is like saying some people are stupid for choosing to like Batman the Brave and the Bold over Batman the Animated Series. Everyone has different tastes.
I disagree, though I was just giving an example, as i've never seen anyone say that. A better one could be people who prefer the original batman movie to the new ones.
Snyder. It's more classic Batman. Morrison's run had its moments, but oftentimes felt weird purely for the sake of it.
Snyder's Batman is.....well...terrible. He makes mistakes and does out of character things constantly, to server the story. Not something I agree with. Morrison s Batman is calculating and experiences.
If Morrison s Batman was in Court of the Owls or DOTF, both arcs would be finished by issue 5.
This is really tough for me. They both bring a lot to the table, and they both write the character to suit their strengths. Snyder's stories focus on the strengths of the character and twist them into weaknesses, forcing Batman (Bruce or Dick) to overcome strong psychological challenges. Morrison's stories fully embrace the tropes of superhero comics while blending in his own high concept sensibilities.
I guess I'd have to say Morrison's, but just slightly.
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