@batmanplusjay:

I'm saying that is not nearly on Cap or Ds(pre 52)

He's not a peak human,that's all,he's not even the best fighter in DC.

Doesn't classify him as a meta human, which is what was noted in the quote you responded to.

@nathaniel_christopher: Ever hear of "reading between the lines"? Not everything will be thrown at you like feeding a dog a bone. You gotta figure it out. It's called analyzing skills. Use it.

@butros:Yup. He is the best fighter in DC. DS only knows 12 martial arts. xD

And yup. He is peak. Like I said, get over it. What you think doesn't matter in the situation of who batman is. The writers wrote him as peak. You have literally 0 power to change that fact.

And This is DC. Df why are you bring marvel into this? And CAP COULD beat batman but it'll be a stalemate. But if they fight like using EVERYTHING(Eviroment, resources, gadgets) batman wins hands down.

LOL yeah that's not how that works. Characters that are meta humans are always clearly defined and always have been. Taking these scans and then trying to say Batman being a meta human is "official" is a massive leap.

@nathaniel_christopher: LOL yeah that's how it works. I'm sure it's a massive leap. if I could change the title to theory, I would. But he might be later defined, idk, maybe when he gets back to the batcave.

And he might never be, in which case it remains what it is now: a theory and not an "official" fact. lol thinking you can officially determine that Batman's now a meta human when nothing in the text even states such is just silly.

Snyder says that Batman's better than ever so he MUST be a meta human lol come on now.

@nathaniel_christopher: "lol come on now". Uhm, what, that doesn't make sense to you? You just for some odd reason can't comprehend what makes sense?

It makes perfect sense. He chose those words for a reason.

Lol I bet he is a meta. xD

That's what I been telling ya'll before!

The words literally say that Batman's better than he's ever been lol and then you're somehow coming to the conclusion that that means he's a Meta? lol like with the Batman vs Wonder Woman thing, ok bro.

@nathaniel_christopher: Who even said anything about wonder woman? Although he could take on WW. And possibly win.

Do you not know what better than EVER means? He's better than even when he FIRST STARTED. Note: When he first started he was already a PEAK. But now he's better than EVER. Even when he first started.

He's a meta now.

Conclusion makes no sense lol

Also i'm fairly certain that Batman when he first started was not considered to be at his peak when he first started.

If Batman was capable of further training and improvement then how was he at his peak? The definition of a peak is literally the highest point that something can be lol if you're at it then you, again by definition, cannot go beyond it. So you're contradicting yourself here.

@nathaniel_christopher: I never said he got physically better. I wasn't talking about that. I was saying like, he continued to work on his fighting styles and form and get even better with those. Yeah, he was already a master. But practice makes perfect. And he's almost perfect.

What makes you think 25 was Bruce's physical peak, when things such as bones continue to develop years after? Heck muscle mass might not finish until a person hits 30, in which case the person would still physically be capable of more after the age of 25 than he was previously.

It's comic books. Peak human in comics is not peak human in real life.

In the scan, doesn't it literally say "All the scarring... is gone." "You're the strongest Batman, since, well, ever." I mean, can we not take this as meaning that he's healed and can move at peak capablities at the prime age of his life? He's not meta-human and it's been stated that he's going to wear down again like a human would so I don't know what's the confusion about tbh.

I hate non- powered people sometimes. Don't get me wrong, Batman is very awesome. But it just doesn't make a lot of sense how he can dodge Darkseid's beams, dodge an entire room of gunfire, survive metahuman brawls, etc. I see this as a way of correcting this. I never liked a 'peak' character, esp for Batman. That's why in my own comic I made my "batman type character" low level meta.

WTF? He isn't meta, he was just healed to perfection. He went back to his prime, with the benefit of having several years worth of knowledge.

This is just another typical Snyderism,generate an illusion of change even if there is no actual change. Batman has always been peak,infact younger Batman tends to be lesser to older Batman physically,years of scarring and injuries have never prevented Batman from accomplishing his feats which by real life standards are meta human level. Snyder is trying to say that Batman is better because there are no scars and injuries thanks to the dinosium so Batman should be better now,except he really wont be. There is unlikely to be a single feat that wouldnt have been able to replicate pre-dinosium. In Snyder's case it's even worse because his Batman usually tends to be a brute anyway. At best this development gives battle forums diehards a counter argument to Cap's SSS since many believe that Cap by virtue of his serum should always be superior regardless of the feats,that's all it amounts to.

@entropy_aegis:

Well SSS is still different,outside other advantages Cap costantly heals like this.

Unless dyonisium in Bat's body wont wear off,making him gain some kind of costant healing factor,Bat is nowhere near Cap even in that department.

Adam Warlock is super human according to the marvel handbooks. Regardless he doesn't usually fight thanos physically as far as I know. The term peak human comes from the marvel handbook and its suppose to mean that characters can lift at least twice there own body weight up to any weight below 800ibs....All though fans often misuse the term.

Adam Warlock can and has fought Thanos physically and he absolutely is superhuman but he was created to be the peak of human potential. The term is meaningless, it can mean anything from olympic level record breaker to the very limit of possible human evolution and everything in between.

@jonny_anonymous: Usually when people use the term peak human they aren't talking about the peak of human potential.

I thought that Batman again felt in the same way as the start being Batman(no internal injury, or anything) and little else, by the mention that it was better than ever.. Nothing of Meta Human.

@nathaniel_christopher: Still talking that muscle mass bullsh*t even after I said it doesnt apply to batman like a million f*cking times. Batman is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER!! Why df do you still think that sh*t applies to batman if hes still like 35 and was made in the early 1900s?! There IS NONE of that muscle mass bullsh*t youre talking about.

But seriously, how many times must I f*cking repeat THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO A FICTIONAL CHARACTER before you even BEGIN to comprehend it?!?!

That is not what the scan says.

Batman already has prep.

LOL just stop. You have zero proof of Batman being a meta human and numerous others have pointed out why, which is that the scan makes no mention of it. You're grasping at straws.

I wouldn't say meta human but he's definitely the peak of human ability. Yes he was healed but that doesn't necessarily make him a meta human it just is like a fountain of youth concept where his body was rejuvenated but he still has all the knowledge and wisdom he's gained from his years of fighting crime.

@entropy_aegis: I agree, that's what I think too

Batman clearly has an upgrade, but unless it's stated in upcoming issues, 'meta-human' refers to humans that have been enhanced - i.e. have powers. This can be minor, even to the point that Batman could be as strong (or other physical trait) as some of them, but that doesn't make him 'meta', just in better shape than he ever has been. So yes, Batman is stronger, faster, etc than he was, but there's no reason to place this label on him unless the writers tell us to. I don't even see why any Batman fan would actually want him to enhanced.

OP needs to ease up on the aggressiveness!

Nowhere in that comic did I see it stated or implied that the dionesium made him a meta (by most comic book standards of that word). Batman's always been fast. Incidentally, those seed freaks he was fighting have something close to around ZERO speed feats.

As others have been saying, "better than ever" does not necessarily mean he is now a meta. You're reaching.

@night_raven:I don't want him enhanced. I think him being enhanced breaks batman. If he was enhanced, batman wouldn't be as badass doing certain things like he used to do as a human because then now he's a meta. I want batman to stay human, while I do want him to be better, I don't want him to necessarily be upgraded past peak-point.Maybe batman just learning new fighting moves or just something to make him better, but not break his peak-point.

Ok, I worded this wrong.

He isn't a meta.

He's enhanced. My point was he is a bit above peak. Because peak is what batman used to be before this upgrade/repair. My OP isn't aggressive... but I was angry at Nathan because I'm sure even you understand how annoying it is to repeat the same thing to someone 50 times before they begin to understand what you're saying. They keep asking the same thing over and over and I keep giving them the same answer, it's frustrating.

@omnicrono:

Maybe I am. But it depends on how you interpret "Meta". I was talking enhanced. Like DS.

@nathaniel_christopher:

Why do you bring up what other "numerous people" say like their opinion has any impact on the true fact? A million people could say the world will end tomorrow, doesn't mean any of them are even remotely close to being right. So no, you "just stop".

Yep, so was I. I consider DS a metahuman.

@omnicrono: Yeah. But batman's already peak, Alfred said he's better than "EVER". Better than he is now and better than how he ever was back then. He got an upgrade. Doesn't mean it's a huge upgrade. But he got one.

@batmanplusjay: Look, it's absolutely fine for the character that he's received a boost from what he was, but only if and when he's stated to be above peak/enhanced/meta should you try to claim it's official. Otherwise just be happy that Batman has had a decade's worth of scarring and damage healed, thus providing a logical reason as to why he can keep doing what he does.

When I said OP I wasn't referring to your first post, I meant the way you are wording your replies. And to be clear, no I absolutely don't think you should be angry at him. Regardless of who is correct, he's providing logical arguments for any point you're making. It's no reason to start name-calling and swearing. Besides, giving the same answer repeatedly isn't going to change someone's opinion. On the vine we use feats and logic to back up our opinions, it's not sufficient just to say he's fictional so it doesn't count.

Batman isn't a meta human.

@kcomicfan: It's a theory. Mb for the misleading title.

No he isn't. It's all writer interpretation. Snyder (from the scans you showed) writes a beast of a batman. He'll get beat mercilessly, go through hell, but in the end he always triumphs. That effortless fight there came after Bruce went through a whole bout of amnesia and had to willing choose to become batman and get back his memories, sacrificing a happy life. King writes Bruce as a physical powerhouse and quick thinker also, although there isn't much fighting in his run. Tynion writes batman as super incompetent fighting wise to the point where he's little better than fodder ninjas and his entire family is superior to him fighting wise. Saying he's meta is silly. It's all writer interpretation. And on top of that, honestly every normal person in comics is actually a meta. It's just suspension of disbelief.

oops sorry for bumping this. It was on the main page but I could see that I'm the most recent post in a year. My mistake. Don't know why it was on the recent forums section

I refuse

Wait a minute, this was a one time healing, not a superpower. It healed his body fully, if your a jogger and injury a joint it will slow you down. The same is here but on a larger scale, it is letting him work with a healthy body that does of have damage. Therefore it was a healing, not a enhancement or superpower.

@dragonrampage: btw it got debunked.

@dragonrampage: It literally reconfigured his body tho. Batman now has more in common with Spiderman or Captain America than he does with any non powered character in both Marvel and DC.

@Soulaf: bro, it got debunked right?