Does anyone actually have any proof that he is fantastic at prep as everyone says he is? I've read quite a few Batman comics but have never seen anything showing that he is as great at prep as everyone says he is. I want real answers no "He's the Goddamn Batman posts"

"Waiting for the inevitable "Proof? Are you dense? Are you retarded? Do you know who he is? He's the GODDAMN BATMAN!" post. "

" Waiting for the inevitable "Proof? Are you dense? Are you retarded? Do you know who he is? He's the GODDAMN BATMAN!" post. "

" Waiting for the inevitable "Proof? Are you dense? Are you retarded? Do you know who he is? He's the GODDAMN BATMAN!" post. "

" @InnerVenom123 said:

" Waiting for the inevitable "Proof? Are you dense? Are you retarded? Do you know who he is? He's the GODDAMN BATMAN!" post. "

That is not what the answer I was looking for, I want proof that he can do the things people say he can. "

Of course, with prep, he can beat Galactus and the Living Tribunal.

" Of course, with prep, he can beat Galactus and the Living Tribunal. "

" @InnerVenom123: Oh yes, them, too and Squirrel Girl. "

So I'm guessing all his abilities are a result of the Plot and not actual abilities? No wonder why I prefer Dick as Batman, at least he doesn't have insane PIS like Bruce.

Can someone actually answer this I kinda want to know too. 

" @InnerVenom123: Pure stomp.   Also, I doubt he could beat  Mickey Mouse and Santa Claus. "

" So I'm guessing all his abilities are a result of the Plot and not actual abilities? No wonder why I prefer Dick as Batman, at least he doesn't have insane PIS like Bruce. "

" @Nefarious:  Yeah, Santa, Mickey, and Bugs are the true creators of time, space, and awesome. "

It's impossible to know.I don't think he's any better at prep than any other characters with comparable intellect.What has Batman done that makes him better with prep than Mr.Fantastic,Iron Man,Black Panther etc. etc.?

" It's impossible to know.I don't think he's any better at prep than any other characters with comparable intellect.What has Batman done that makes him better with prep than Mr.Fantastic,Iron Man,Black Panther etc. etc.? "

Batman is a joke character. I can think of ten legitimate characters who are equally or better with prep than he is...

"Waiting for the inevitable "Proof? Are you dense? Are you retarded? Do you know who he is? He's the GODDAMN BATMAN!" post. "

"So I'm guessing all his abilities are a result of the Plot and not actual abilities? No wonder why I prefer Dick as Batman, at least he doesn't have insane PIS like Bruce. "

" @Vance Astro said:

" It's impossible to know.I don't think he's any better at prep than any other characters with comparable intellect.What has Batman done that makes him better with prep than Mr.Fantastic,Iron Man,Black Panther etc. etc.? "

I was wondering the same thing, especially Reed and Tony but also Mr. Terrific because after all he's the third smartest man in DC. "

"Batman is a joke character. I can think of ten legitimate characters who are equally or better with prep than he is... "

Everyone shut up, I'm here :P In terms of context, Batman is the best without futuristic BS technology (aka Marvel stuff or Apokoliptian tech). 
 
With prep, Bruce has been able to; 

• Create a back up personality giving his original time to reboot after being psychologically destroyed (Batman R.I.P)
  
• Defeat multiple White Martians at the same time after realizing who they are from a single piece of evidence. Everyone always says that "that's nothing, Martians are weak to fire". Yeh, they are, they're also capable of moving at the speed of sound and punching through the moon, so you know, that's kind of a big deal FOR A GUY IN KEVLAR. (JLA #3-4)
• Brought down Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips by altering and re-configuring an alien super-weapon; changing the codes so that no one could disarm it but him. He learned what the device was, how to disarm, rearm, and reset its configurations within a few hours at most. (Superman/Batman #9-12)
• Developed strategies to defeat the Justice League, and it wasn't some crappy D-List version either. He brought down; Superman, Wonder Woman, Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Plastic Man, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman. (JLA: Tower of Babel)
• Came up with a strategy to navigate through time, avoid a prep-god's master plan which would destroy the Universe, kill said god, and defeat the Hunter-Killer Doomsday Weapon; within a day. (Final Crisis, Batman: 701-702, Return of Bruce Wayne)
• Was able to weaponise his own memories in order to combat a mental assault, consequently mindraping a consciousness-less entity, developed by Apokoliptian scientists (Batman 682-683, I think, it's around there).
  

" Everyone shut up, I'm here :P In terms of context, Batman is the best without futuristic BS technology (aka Marvel stuff or Apokoliptian tech). 
 
With prep, Bruce has been able to; 

• Create a back up personality giving his original time to reboot after being psychologically destroyed (Batman R.I.P)
  
• Defeat multiple White Martians at the same time after realizing who they are from a single piece of evidence. Everyone always says that "that's nothing, Martians are weak to fire". Yeh, they are, they're also capable of moving at the speed of sound and punching through the moon, so you know, that's kind of a big deal FOR A GUY IN KEVLAR. (JLA #3-4)
• Brought down Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips by altering and re-configuring an alien super-weapon, and changing the codes so that no one could disarm it but him. He learned what the device was, how to disarm, rearm, and reset its configurations within a few hours at most. (Superman/Batman #9-12)
• Developed strategies to defeat the Justice League, and it wasn't some crappy D-List version either. He brought down; Superman, Wonder Woman, Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Plastic Man, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman. (JLA: Tower of Babel)
• Came up with a strategy to navigate through time, avoid a prep-god's master plan which would destroy the Universe, kill said god, and defeat the Hunter-Killer Doomsday Weapon; within a day. (Final Crisis, Batman: 701-702, Return of Bruce Wayne)
• Was able to weaponise his own memories in order to combat a mental assault, consequently mindraping a consciousness-less entity, developed by Apokoliptian scientists (Batman 682-683, I think, it's around there).
  

 Those are just some recent examples. "

" @CrimsonAvenger:  As with all characters, his upper limits of skill are purely up to the writer. You want insane prep read the White Martian Invasion or Batman R.I.P. both written by Morrison. He's pretty much the man who ushered in the era of the fabled Bat God!!! "

"@FadeToBlackBolt:  True, I'm a bit ambivalent about Morrison's Batman work. Some I love, some I hate, overall His run was interesting but not my cup of tea. I get it....but yeah, I didn't feel like it was anything special. The only thing I'm sure of is that I don't like "The Bat God", what I love about Dick as Batman is that he's still human. That element is what initially drew me to Bruce, now he's a clairvoyant one man anti-everything army in the hands of most writers.   Anyways that means "You have hit the nail on the head, my friend" lol "

" @JonesDeini said:

" @CrimsonAvenger:  As with all characters, his upper limits of skill are purely up to the writer. You want insane prep read the White Martian Invasion or Batman R.I.P. both written by Morrison. He's pretty much the man who ushered in the era of the fabled Bat God!!! "

That was miller and DKR.still the white martians were offed by a match,RIP was though indeed a little over the top should i say. "

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @JonesDeini said:

" @CrimsonAvenger:  As with all characters, his upper limits of skill are purely up to the writer. You want insane prep read the White Martian Invasion or Batman R.I.P. both written by Morrison. He's pretty much the man who ushered in the era of the fabled Bat God!!! "

That was miller and DKR.still the white martians were offed by a match,RIP was though indeed a little over the top should i say. "

He had flooded the room in gas. The holding up of the match was just badass, "

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @JonesDeini said:

" @CrimsonAvenger:  As with all characters, his upper limits of skill are purely up to the writer. You want insane prep read the White Martian Invasion or Batman R.I.P. both written by Morrison. He's pretty much the man who ushered in the era of the fabled Bat God!!! "

That was miller and DKR.still the white martians were offed by a match,RIP was though indeed a little over the top should i say. "

He had flooded the room in gas. The holding up of the match was just badass, "

Yes but i was trying to say that it was'nt exactly unreasonable. "

" Everyone shut up, I'm here :P In terms of context, Batman is the best without futuristic BS technology (aka Marvel stuff or Apokoliptian tech). 
 
With prep, Bruce has been able to; 

• Create a back up personality giving his original time to reboot after being psychologically destroyed (Batman R.I.P)
  
• Defeat multiple White Martians at the same time after realizing who they are from a single piece of evidence. Everyone always says that "that's nothing, Martians are weak to fire". Yeh, they are, they're also capable of moving at the speed of sound and punching through the moon, so you know, that's kind of a big deal FOR A GUY IN KEVLAR. (JLA #3-4)
• Brought down Darkseid and the forces of Apokolips by altering and re-configuring an alien super-weapon; changing the codes so that no one could disarm it but him. He learned what the device was, how to disarm, rearm, and reset its configurations within a few hours at most. (Superman/Batman #9-12)
• Developed strategies to defeat the Justice League, and it wasn't some crappy D-List version either. He brought down; Superman, Wonder Woman, Wally West, Kyle Rayner, Plastic Man, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman. (JLA: Tower of Babel)
• Came up with a strategy to navigate through time, avoid a prep-god's master plan which would destroy the Universe, kill said god, and defeat the Hunter-Killer Doomsday Weapon; within a day. (Final Crisis, Batman: 701-702, Return of Bruce Wayne)
• Was able to weaponise his own memories in order to combat a mental assault, consequently mindraping a consciousness-less entity, developed by Apokoliptian scientists (Batman 682-683, I think, it's around there).
  

 Those are just some recent examples. "

Earth-2's Owlman(movie version from A Crisis on Two Earths) is easily a match for Batman in terms of everything that can be measured. Owlman built the QED which was capable of ending all realities, went toe to toe with Wonder Woman just using his regular suit exoskeleton and all around seemed to be one of the DCU's greatest prep Gods. IMO, what characters can be shown to do in animation/films is far more impressive and noteworthy than stuff from the comics because in the comics you can just spit out ridiculous stuff like "Oh the abstract concept of birth!" which just becomes too much of a mess to reconcile in the end. 
 
Still, it's worth noting that in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, Batman was able to get past the encryption to activate 500 of Darkseid's Hellspores, thus forcing Darkseid to promise to leave Supergirl alone.

" Earth-2's Owlman(movie version from A Crisis on Two Earths) is easily a match for Batman in terms of everything that can be measured. Owlman built the QED which was capable of ending all realities, went toe to toe with Wonder Woman just using his regular suit exoskeleton and all around seemed to be one of the DCU's greatest prep Gods. IMO, what characters can be shown to do in animation/films is far more impressive and noteworthy than stuff from the comics because in the comics you can just spit out ridiculous stuff like "Oh the abstract concept of birth!" which just becomes too much of a mess to reconcile in the end.   Still, it's worth noting that in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse, Batman was able to get past the encryption to activate 500 of Darkseid's Hellspores, thus forcing Darkseid to promise to leave Supergirl alone. "

I wouldn't really say he's the best, but hes damn good at what he does. If others were placed in his shoes, I'm not sure others couldn't accomplish some of the same feats though.

" I wouldn't really say he's the best, but hes damn good at what he does. If others were placed in his shoes, I'm not sure others couldn't accomplish some of the same feats though. "

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I wouldn't really say he's the best, but hes damn good at what he does. If others were placed in his shoes, I'm not sure others couldn't accomplish some of the same feats though. "

This.  Of course he's not as good as someone like Brainiac or Vril Dox, because they're biologically designed to be more intelligent, as well as having more advanced tech. But with what he's got, he's ludicrously good. "

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I wouldn't really say he's the best, but hes damn good at what he does. If others were placed in his shoes, I'm not sure others couldn't accomplish some of the same feats though. "

This.  Of course he's not as good as someone like Brainiac or Vril Dox, because they're biologically designed to be more intelligent, as well as having more advanced tech. But with what he's got, he's ludicrously good. "

Heh. Speaking of Vril, I'm about to start reading REBELS.  "

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I wouldn't really say he's the best, but hes damn good at what he does. If others were placed in his shoes, I'm not sure others couldn't accomplish some of the same feats though. "

This.  Of course he's not as good as someone like Brainiac or Vril Dox, because they're biologically designed to be more intelligent, as well as having more advanced tech. But with what he's got, he's ludicrously good. "

Heh. Speaking of Vril, I'm about to start reading REBELS.  "

Nice, I've not read it myself, but it looks good, and iLLutiracy swears by it. "

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I wouldn't really say he's the best, but hes damn good at what he does. If others were placed in his shoes, I'm not sure others couldn't accomplish some of the same feats though. "

This.  Of course he's not as good as someone like Brainiac or Vril Dox, because they're biologically designed to be more intelligent, as well as having more advanced tech. But with what he's got, he's ludicrously good. "

Heh. Speaking of Vril, I'm about to start reading REBELS.  "

Nice, I've not read it myself, but it looks good, and iLLutiracy swears by it. "

Zoom and AtPhantom are fans, and I trust their taste. "

" @FadeToBlackBolt said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I wouldn't really say he's the best, but hes damn good at what he does. If others were placed in his shoes, I'm not sure others couldn't accomplish some of the same feats though. "

This.  Of course he's not as good as someone like Brainiac or Vril Dox, because they're biologically designed to be more intelligent, as well as having more advanced tech. But with what he's got, he's ludicrously good. "

Heh. Speaking of Vril, I'm about to start reading REBELS.  "

At the beginning of Batman #400 there's a letter written by Stephen King and I think he makes a really good point that's relevant to this discussion. He starts while discussing Superman being able to do to much for him to care about the character: "Take super breath for example. Is it fair to just be able to blow Metrapolis back into place after Lex Luthor has sent it to the mid Atlantic on nuclear power jets?...Although he eventually got a mag of his own it was and still is with detective comics that Batman is most closely associated in my mind. He really was a detective; with the deific characteristics and seeming immortality of the superheros those modern Olympians denied him, he had to be a detective. He couldn't rely on super breath or any other power to return Gotham city to it's correct place after the crime had happened, he had to catch the Riddler or whomever the villain might be before those nuclear jets could be kick started."

" @bgibs13390: read jla: tower of babel "

" @bgibs13390: read jla: tower of babel "