"Fourpower (R.I.P) said:

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Spidey's villians are all clowns.

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No they aren't. You want embarassing rogues look at The GA Green Lantern villains."

Batman & Flash have, by far, the best rogue galleries. I can't think of any one character no Marvel that even comes close, and as much as I love Captain America's rogues, the fall flat in comparison.

"Batman & Flash have, by far, the best rogue galleries. I can't think of any one character no Marvel that even comes close, and as much as I love Captain America's rogues, the fall flat in comparison."

yep Bat baddies are the best

Superman as a lot of good ones, being a fan of both, i rank the bat rouges higher

"inferiorego said:

"Batman & Flash have, by far, the best rogue galleries. I can't think of any one character no Marvel that even comes close, and as much as I love Captain America's rogues, the fall flat in comparison."

Man you guys make me want to read some Flash comics so badly. hehe"

Oh Yeah

The Flash Rouges Are Up There

"Oh Yeah

The Flash Rouges Are Up There"

"Firestormnuclerman said:

"Fourpower (R.I.P) said:

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Spidey's villians are all clowns.

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No they aren't. You want embarassing rogues look at The GA Green Lantern villains."

Sinestro > Half of the Spider-man rogue gallery

hey it ain't the best but atleast it has good ones"

"gunswordfist said:

"inferiorego said:

"Batman & Flash have, by far, the best rogue galleries. I can't think of any one character no Marvel that even comes close, and as much as I love Captain America's rogues, the fall flat in comparison."

Man you guys make me want to read some Flash comics so badly. hehe"

Rogue Wars is great if you want to get a little inside their heads as villains."

"Nighthunter said:

"Firestormnuclerman said:

"Fourpower (R.I.P) said:

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Spidey's villians are all clowns.

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No they aren't. You want embarassing rogues look at The GA Green Lantern villains."

Sinestro > Half of the Spider-man rogue gallery

hey it ain't the best but atleast it has good ones"

GA is short for Golden Age which would mean I'm talking about Green Lantern (Alan Scot) not Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) the Silver Age Green Lantern who's archenemy is Sinestro.

Spidey's villains aren't all clowns. He has one of the best well known rogue galleries right up there with Bats. Also Spider Man's rogues would destroy Batman's rogues easily.

Let me further add for those saying all Spidey rogues are basically the same. It's not like Batman rogues are any different. Most of them have some type of obsession, and are psychopaths with tragic origins like Batman.

It's not like Bats doesn't have stupid rogues. Maxpie very stupid, Calender Man dumb all around concept, Killer Moth another dumb all around concept, Mr.Polka Dot the name says it all very stupid, Catman for most of his history he was a embarassment, and Ten Eyed Man as dumb as Stilt Man."

"T.J. Magnum said:

"Oh Yeah

The Flash Rouges Are Up There"

I'm a HUGE mirror master fan"

"inferiorego said:

"Rogue Wars is great if you want to get a little inside their heads as villains."

THANK YOU!!! *goes to put Rogue Wars on list*"

"Nighthunter said:

"Firestormnuclerman said:

"Fourpower (R.I.P) said:

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Spidey's villians are all clowns.

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No they aren't. You want embarassing rogues look at The GA Green Lantern villains."

Sinestro > Half of the Spider-man rogue gallery

hey it ain't the best but atleast it has good ones"

GA is short for Golden Age which would mean I'm talking about Green Lantern (Alan Scot) not Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) the Silver Age Green Lantern who's archenemy is Sinestro.

"gunswordfist said:

"inferiorego said:

"Rogue Wars is great if you want to get a little inside their heads as villains."

THANK YOU!!! *goes to put Rogue Wars on list*"

Rogue War was really good but you kinda have to read the stuff that comes before it (name Secret of Barry Allen).

The absolute coolest thing Johns did during his Flash run was take aside every 8th or so issue and tell a story about a villain.  Not about the Flash, just about the villain.

Here's a list of Rogue Profiles.

Captain Cold: Flash 182 (Rogues)
Piper: Flash 190 (Crossfire, which is hard to find)
Zoom: Flash 197 (Blitz, which is also hard to find)
Mirror Master: Flash 212 (Rogue War)
Heatwave: Flash 218 (Rogue War)

Rogue War also contains Flash 1/2 which is essentially his Trickster story.  Rogues Revenge 3 is his Weather Wizard story."

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OSIRIS says:

"Fourpower says:

"Spidey's villians are all clowns."

huh!i disagree,bats 'big three' villains are far more pantomine than any of spideys,and along with two face they havent teally got any powers or sense of real danger.

would you sooner tackle the penguin or the rhino in a drag em out war?

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I've said it a billion times. A villian's quality is not measured by his power level. Penguin is a clown too, but at least he's got real depth as a character. Spidey's villians are all the same guy with a different power.

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The Batman rogue's gallery have a way of leaving a long lasting impression. You remember the Joker because of his wild card like antics. You remember Two-Face because of his tormented duality. You remember Catwoman because of her sultry, seductive ways. You remember the Penguin because of his distinguished ways of a jaded businessman. You remember the Scarecrow because of his need to exploit fear in others and so on and on. You're dealing with a rogue's gallery that is colorful in their originality thus initiating a classic approach to villainy. The Superman rogue's gallery have potential but I often feel like 2/3 of them have been eclipsed by Lex Luthor. The Flash rogue's gallery are impressive based on their improvement as villains under Geoff Johns' tenure. I think the Green Latern rogue's gallery have some hidden gems in it (aside from the MVP in Sinestro). Ultimately, the Batman rogue's gallery is #1 in DC for me because they offer villainy from so many perspectives that intrigues me as a reader. In order to see what makes them tick, I oftem find myself more attracted to the stories of the Batman villains.

I agree Batman has the best Villains :D

Batman's villains might not destroy the world but they are capable of: destroying the city, corrupt the police, turn Gotham against their own hero,  Kill a sidekick with a crow bar, cripple a hero without realizing it was the hero, brainwash Batman and turn him against his friends, Comeback from the dead, ETC.

(Joker, Deacon Blackfire, Jason Todd and Ra's) - Have done this :D

"The Batman rogue's gallery have a way of leaving a long lasting impression. You remember the Joker because of his wild card like antics. You remember Two-Face because of his tormented duality. You remember Catwoman because of her sultry, seductive ways. You remember the Penguin because of his distinguished ways of a jaded businessman. You remember the Scarecrow because of his need to exploit fear in others and so on and on. You're dealing with a rogue's gallery that is colorful in their originality thus initiating a classic approach to villainy. The Superman rogue's gallery have potential but I often feel like 2/3 of them have been eclipsed by Lex Luthor. The Flash rogue's gallery are impressive based on their improvement as villains under Geoff Johns' tenure. I think the Green Latern rogue's gallery have some hidden gems in it (aside from the MVP in Sinestro). Ultimately, the Batman rogue's gallery is #1 in DC for me because they offer villainy from so many perspectives that intrigues me as a reader. In order to see what makes them tick, I oftem find myself more attracted to the stories of the Batman villains."

Despite these comparisons between Spider-Man and Batman villains, my personal opinion as that these 2 have the most complete and diverse rogues' galleries in comics. I agree that they aren't the only ones who have interesting long lists of villains. But I believe they have the more colorful ones. They also have the ones who's psychology has been explored in deeper ways than others. They are 2 characters who's villains are as popular as the heroes themselves.

"Despite these comparisons between Spider-Man and Batman villains, my personal opinion as that these 2 have the most complete and diverse rogues' galleries in comics. I agree that they aren't the only ones who have interesting long lists of villains. But I believe they have the more colorful ones. They also have the ones who's psychology has been explored in deeper ways than others. They are 2 characters who's villains are as popular as the heroes themselves.
"

"The Batman rogue's gallery have a way of leaving a long lasting impression. You remember the Joker because of his wild card like antics. You remember Two-Face because of his tormented duality. You remember Catwoman because of her sultry, seductive ways. You remember the Penguin because of his distinguished ways of a jaded businessman. You remember the Scarecrow because of his need to exploit fear in others and so on and on. You're dealing with a rogue's gallery that is colorful in their originality thus initiating a classic approach to villainy. The Superman rogue's gallery have potential but I often feel like 2/3 of them have been eclipsed by Lex Luthor. The Flash rogue's gallery are impressive based on their improvement as villains under Geoff Johns' tenure. I think the Green Latern rogue's gallery have some hidden gems in it (aside from the MVP in Sinestro). Ultimately, the Batman rogue's gallery is #1 in DC for me because they offer villainy from so many perspectives that intrigues me as a reader. In order to see what makes them tick, I oftem find myself more attracted to the stories of the Batman villains."

"The Batman rogue's gallery have a way of leaving a long lasting impression. You remember the Joker because of his wild card like antics. You remember Two-Face because of his tormented duality. You remember Catwoman because of her sultry, seductive ways. You remember the Penguin because of his distinguished ways of a jaded businessman. You remember the Scarecrow because of his need to exploit fear in others and so on and on. You're dealing with a rogue's gallery that is colorful in their originality thus initiating a classic approach to villainy. The Superman rogue's gallery have potential but I often feel like 2/3 of them have been eclipsed by Lex Luthor. The Flash rogue's gallery are impressive based on their improvement as villains under Geoff Johns' tenure. I think the Green Latern rogue's gallery have some hidden gems in it (aside from the MVP in Sinestro). Ultimately, the Batman rogue's gallery is #1 in DC for me because they offer villainy from so many perspectives that intrigues me as a reader. In order to see what makes them tick, I oftem find myself more attracted to the stories of the Batman villains."

Really well said statement's guys i completely agree, I also just happen to be a bigger Bat fan then Spidey fan so i tend to prefer the Bat-Villains, however i think they both have the best rougues gallery of there respective companies

For me, it depends on my mood. Sometimes I get into super Marvel mode and sometimes I get into super DC mode. Spider-Man and Batman are my 2 favorite super heroes. And the reason is because their villains make these characters and their storylines all the more interesting.

They say behind every good man is a great woman. We can use the same philosophy in comics:
Behind every good hero is a great list of villains.

Batmans rogues are the best

Batman and Flash are easily the best lists, but I'd like to put forth that the Teen Titans have built a good roster of villains over the last 25+ years.  Of course, that's only if you count the sheer number that have been Titans themselves.

Deathstroke (voiced by Ron Pearlman, no less), Jericho, Brother Blood, Vigilante, Brotherhood of Evil, Titans of Tomorrow.

Of course it doesn't hurt that they also share a number of bad guys with both Nightwing and Flash.

"More people could name rogues of Spider Man than they could of the Flash."

the only villain l really like from batmans rogue gallery is joker, but the rest are ok
i really dont like the riddler though

Hush, Bane, The Riddler, Two-Face, Black Mask are soem of my favorite villains

He has some quality villains in his rogue gallery but he has a few lame ones too. Lets face it his Rogue gallery is big, but saying it is the best ever is an exaggeration.

What really attracts me to Batman's rogues gallery is that besides his A-list villains like Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, Riddler, Poison Ivy and such, he's got a great list of B-list and C-list villains who don't play as big a role as the top villains do, but still mean something.

- Scarecrow
- Man-Bat
- R'as Al Ghul
- Bane
- Mr. Freeze
- Firefly
- Killer Croc
- Black Mask
- Hush
- Catwoman
- Ventriloquist
- Mad Hatter
- Harley Quinn
- Clayface
- Hugo Strange
- Deadshot
- Cluemaster
- Maxie Zeus

and the list can keep going. You can't just keep fighting the same guys over and over, so a supporting cast of villains can help breathe new life in the series as well as give us a break from the bigger fish. I'm one who believes in quality over quantity. What I mean is that I prefer to see Joker once every 2 years, but in storylines that are as effective as the Joker is himself. I would quickly grow tired of him is he were in every 6th issue for example.

At least that's my take on it.

By A-list villains, I meant the more popular ones. Even though Penguin might be a lame villain, he still is among Batman's most popular ones. That's the reason I put him in the A-list category.

Although I did put Catwoman among the B-list and C-list villains, I would also put her in the A-list. She might not always be a villain, but she is in Batman's rogues gallery and she is one of Batman's more popular ones. That's 1 mistake I made in my list.

haha... Maybe that's why she's there as a "love interest". To try and convince us Bruce Wayne isn't a funny business type of man.

I think the X-Men have a more impressive Rogues Gallery then Batman.

"I think the X-Men have a more impressive Rogues Gallery then Batman.
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"I think the X-Men have a more impressive Rogues Gallery then Batman.
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"Gambler said:

"I think the X-Men have a more impressive Rogues Gallery then Batman.
"

O_O WHAT!? smacks Gambler with a dead jelly fish Lies and deception!! >_<

Batman as the best rogue gallery! Plus, X-men is with Marvel, not DC xP
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"Gambler said:

"I think the X-Men have a more impressive Rogues Gallery then Batman.
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Really???

They aren't nearly as psychologically complex.
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other than those 3, who else is in X-Men (rogues) that are great, in your opinion, that would make them better than Batman rogues?

Dark Beast, Dark Phoenix, The Hellfire Club, Sabretooth, Bolivar Trask, Graydon Creed. Of course its just a personal opinion. But I think the X-Men's rogues are pretty high up there.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm simply asking why. I don't know enough about them to categorize them/ to have an opinion. What I am asking is, what makes these characters complex and interesting to you, that would make them moreso than the likes of Lady Shiva, David Cain, Deathstroke, Black Mask, etc.

Well, as much as I love Lady Shiva (and a few others mentioned) the X-Men Rogues seem to operate on a higher level of complexity then most of the Batman Rogues. Shiva is badass but really she's only an assassin. Her methods are pretty basic in terms of dealing with Batman. Same with Deathstroke and David Cain. The X Rogues usually involve much deeper plots (such as political manipulation, reality manipulation, etc etc). Most of the Bat Rogues are worried about taking out Batman. Most of the X-Men Rogues strive for World domination.

I think that you are undermining Lady Shiva. If you recall her history, her background, her origin story. I am surprised to hear you say that, but I consider you knowledgable and convincing enough that I am sure you will have me agreeing with you in no time. Needless to say, I think Lady Shiva and David Cain; their relationship with themselves as well as with their daughter, is REALLY psychologically complex. Yet I would be interested to hear you delve into your previous statement, seeing as how I know not nearly enough about the X- rogues to really discuss this.

The Cain family's back story is really no more psychologically complex then Magneto's family. Not saying that I dont love the Cain family (cause you know I do) but those are only three members of a pretty long line of Rogues. If you look at Mr. Sinister and his relationship with Cyclops and Jean Grey, its more complex then even the Ras Al' Ghul/Batman relationship.

Is it though? How is Sinister's relationship more complex than Ras/Batman?
You don't have to answer that now, I could research it myself. I just don't think I'll agree with you there. Theres a level of complexity in that Batman saw Ras as a father figure that I dont believe existed between Sinister and Scott or Jean.

The Sinister/Cyclops relationship is much much deeper then the father/son relationship of Ras and Batman. In fact Sinister has been a major factor in the life of Cyclops since he was a child. I hope you do read up on it cause its actually pretty cool.

Great, maybe you can point me in the right direction that would help me to better understand.

Here ya go. His page is one of the better ones on the Vine.
http://www.comicvine.com/mr-sinister/29-3179/

LOL

Thanks. I was looking for issue numbers.