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    Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.

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    #1  Edited By Crissdragon

    Its not about a fight,the point is that you if you see they are written differnet.

    I liked the Tas better beacuse he didn't had all the gadgets fitting the plot and he didn't get the upper hand easily and he was more realistic.

    J league Batman is more like a 60's batman mixed with Christian bale(Dark knight),reason for this is that in the 60's he had every stupid gadget accordint to the plot,heck even shark repellent if you remember that one plus Bale's trying to be badass and all.

    In Justice League he is almost omnipotent and omniscient,give me a break the writters should stop wanking to their fans because even if batman has no powers the way he is written seems like he has the plot device power.

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    #2  Edited By DeathpooltheT1000

    @Crissdragon said:

    Its not about a fight,the point is that you if you see they are written differnet.

    I liked the Tas better beacuse he didn't had all the gadgets fitting the plot and he didn't get the upper hand easily and he was more realistic.

    J league Batman is more like a 60's batman mixed with Christian bale(Dark knight),reason for this is that in the 60's he had every stupid gadget accordint to the plot,heck even shark repellent if you remember that one plus Bale's trying to be badass and all.

    In Justice League he is almost omnipotent and omniscient,give me a break the writters should stop wanking to their fans because even if batman has no powers the way he is written seems like he has the plot device power.

    Main reason why that type of Batman would suck in a movie.

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    #3  Edited By Crissdragon

    I don't understand what you are saying.

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    #4  Edited By Crom-Cruach

    @Crissdragon: You do realize that what your complaining about is the only Batman that can be in a justice league series and not suck to read right?

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    #5  Edited By RisingBean

    Batman would be standing in the background doing nothing without his enhanced level of intelligence and gadgets. I admit I often wonder how a guy who can plan to beat Superman and the Flash has trouble with the Joker, but lets face it. Batman from TAS who had to struggle to beat nameless mooks at times would die against the foes brought on by the JL toon.

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    #6  Edited By Crissdragon

    The Batman version in J league is like he is some sort of mutant and I am not buying that oh he is so smart or he has a plan for eveything,its just writter wanking and thats all there is.

    The be honest he is becoming a" gary stu" and its getting old.

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    #7  Edited By Relentless

    can you give examples of his plot device power in the cartoon?

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    #8  Edited By cattlebattle

    Batmans durability and other physical abilities were uprgraded for the JL series...when you think about it, you could just argue he became more skilled with time. As for gadgets, he didn't really have anything out of the norm...exploding batarangs...which he probably figured he needed when running with the League
     
    The main problem was character inconsistency, Batman took down Grundy with an electrified Batarang, and KO'd Sinestro.....both for plot reasons...but still

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    #9  Edited By sunhawk

    Batman TAS even after the revamp is still the best version of batman not in a comic book. up there with dark knight returns.

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    @cattlebattle said:

    Batmans durability and other physical abilities were uprgraded for the JL series...when you think about it, you could just argue he became more skilled with time. As for gadgets, he didn't really have anything out of the norm...exploding batarangs...which he probably figured he needed when running with the League The main problem was character inconsistency, Batman took down Grundy with an electrified Batarang, and KO'd Sinestro.....both for plot reasons...but still

    That would work, if Batman TAS was a young Batman, you see Robin as young adult, so Batman isnt a young in TAS.

    @Crissdragon said:

    The Batman version in J league is like he is some sort of mutant and I am not buying that oh he is so smart or he has a plan for eveything,its just writter wanking and thats all there is.

    The be honest he is becoming a" gary stu" and its getting old.

    Something you and others dont notice, is that Superman TAS was also weaker that Justice Superman, Superman TAS was even dumber that Justice one, TAS try to make them more human, so people could care more about them, Justice decide that being human at any level sucks and make them power freacks without any human feat.

    @RisingBean said:

    Batman would be standing in the background doing nothing without his enhanced level of intelligence and gadgets. I admit I often wonder how a guy who can plan to beat Superman and the Flash has trouble with the Joker, but lets face it. Batman from TAS who had to struggle to beat nameless mooks at times would die against the foes brought on by the JL toon.

    Batman TAS take down many super criminals, JL just made the villains and heroes more powerfull to be in a more Dragon Ball Z power levels, that dont change that if they decide to use the TAS logic, the villain would have been less powerfull and for the same it would have been more easy to belive Batman could beat them, becuase you saw him doing it in the past.

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    #11  Edited By RisingBean

    @DeathpooltheT1000: Batman did take down many named super bad guys. However I watched the first season of TAS a month or three back and found it interesting how "Zeke" the sidekick to Joker or "Nameless mafia thug" 3 working for Boss Thorne would struggle with the Batman. Fights were not decisive back then.

    I agree with CattleBattle. Batman pretty much stepped up his A game, was more experienced, and played with more expensive toys. That is how I sustain my disbelief.

    As per JL vs TAS. They had to raise the bad guy bar. Batman was teamed with a bunch of modern Gods. Can you imagine Superman fighting TAS villains every week? If you want to see it, go look at the 50's Superman show with George Reeves.

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    @RisingBean: Superman Tas did that, even when he keep his silver age powers, the power level was smaller and Superman was less God-alike creature, Batman/Superman Tas xover was by far better in character development and plot development that JL, also Superman Tas was way weaker that JL Superman, his new God-alike powers are evidence that JL wasnt a sequel of Tas, is like if people is trying to say that Young Justice is a sequel of Teen Titans, even when all the evidence show is just another show.

    JL was pretty damn popular, but never as good as Batman and Superman Tas, where those guy are more human, more intense, had better character development, better plots and way less mary suness.

    JL Batman is pretty much a dark version of Adam West Batman.

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    #13  Edited By RisingBean

    @DeathpooltheT1000:

    Wow. I need to get online more. Ok.

    I never really got into the Titans toon (too anime dumb for my tastes) so I can't speculate on that or young Justice, but trust me the Batman and Superman animated series' tie directly into the JL toons. Superman's relationship with Darkseid show the continuity if you ignore the voice acting being the same, along with any other number of factors.

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    @RisingBean said:

    Batman would be standing in the background doing nothing without his enhanced level of intelligence and gadgets. I admit I often wonder how a guy who can plan to beat Superman and the Flash has trouble with the Joker, but lets face it. Batman from TAS who had to struggle to beat nameless mooks at times would die against the foes brought on by the JL toon.

    Joker has a better chance of beating Superman than Batman himself.

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    @RisingBean: They try to make them one continuity, but the whole Timeverse is just one universe dont work that way, is like many people belives Spiderman and the X Men live in the same universe with the Avengers, it could be the same multiverse or mirrorverses, but not the exactly same universe.

    Superman Tas has the same power that Silver Age Superman, just way weacker, thats the reason he can get hurt.

    Also the Bruce Wayne from Batman Beyond talked about time and space thing, what could explain

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    #16  Edited By RisingBean

    @DeathpooltheT1000:

    I think that there are looser continuity in some universes but two that I know for a fact are interconnected are

    1. Batman TAS, Superman TAS and JL series' due to the Batman/Superman crossover as well as Superman's relationship with Darkseid. Mot to mention voice actors and other nods at continuity.

    and

    Spider-man 90's and X-men 90's. They had a crossover, nuff said.

    As per the rest, I go with the idea that it could be a world full of heroes or all you see is all you have. Most don't flow together but that doesn't bother me.

    As per Superman, When I see "Silver Age Superman" I think Superman spouting new invincible powers left and right. I have never considered TAS Supes to be that sort of animal.

    As per Batman Beyond, I don't recall it altering any current continuity. It was supposed to exist along Batman/Supes/JL.

    At any rate, I'll sign off with this. Your mileage may vary. If you want to find ways to connect or sever certain toon universes, that is at your discretion. Personally I try to enjoy them as much as I can.

    @nickzambuto: As shown by the crossover episode? I am of the mindset that a morals off Superman could easily take out the Joker. (Most likely off scene depending on type of violence) Recall how he lobotomized Doomsday? Superman could win effortlessly. But with morals on and the set up favoring Joker? I am inclined to agree with you. Batman has morals and thus is just as bound as Superman.

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    @RisingBean said:

    @nickzambuto: As shown by the crossover episode? I am of the mindset that a morals off Superman could easily take out the Joker. (Most likely off scene depending on type of violence) Recall how he lobotomized Doomsday? Superman could win effortlessly. But with morals on and the set up favoring Joker? I am inclined to agree with you. Batman has morals and thus is just as bound as Superman.

    Well yeah, a morals off Superman can beat pretty much anybody. But if Supes retained his morals, I'd be inclined to say Joker has a better chance of taking him down then the Dark Knight himself does.

    Joker is just as good a strategist as Batman, but is far more unpredictable and crazy, not to mention he'd have no problems doing something horrible to Lois or someone else close to Superman.

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    #18  Edited By Twentyfive

    Batman must be written differently if he is supposed to keep up with 6 people that would otherwise take his lunch money with ease.

    Because honestly, Superman does not need anyone else on that team to do his job. Whatever they can do, he can go. But they are all to be written differently to help accentuate the skills of everyone else. Superman has the capability of learning anything in a very short time, but the plot calls for Batman to know these things, and Superman to just be the muscle.

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    #19  Edited By RisingBean

    @nickzambuto: Agreed.

    @Twentyfive: you said it. Quite the way of putting the cap on the thread.

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    #20  Edited By Alexander505
    Main reason why that type of Batman would suck in a movie.

    True..

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    #21  Edited By kasino

    Batman TAS would be nothing in Justice League

    he would pretty much be The Question

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    The Batman version in J league is like he is some sort of mutant and I am not buying that oh he is so smart or he has a plan for eveything,its just writter wanking and thats all there is.

    The be honest he is becoming a" gary stu" and its getting old.


    LOL

    @RisingBean: Superman Tas did that, even when he keep his silver age powers, the power level was smaller and Superman was less God-alike creature, Batman/Superman Tas xover was by far better in character development and plot development that JL, also Superman Tas was way weaker that JL Superman, his new God-alike powers are evidence that JL wasnt a sequel of Tas, is like if people is trying to say that Young Justice is a sequel of Teen Titans, even when all the evidence show is just another show.

    JL was pretty damn popular, but never as good as Batman and Superman Tas, where those guy are more human, more intense, had better character development, better plots and way less mary suness.

    JL Batman is pretty much a dark version of Adam West Batman.

    Wait, you said STAS Supes was way weaker but then you said STAS was better(even though I agree it was better)?

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    @ganon15: Because being less godalike make him a better character, you can relate more to him, the more you relate with a character, the better the character actually is.

    Thats why Bruce Wayne is the real person Batman, stomp Batman is the real person Batman, the first one give him human emotions and he has humanity you can relate to.

    The second has no emotions and no humanity, you have no reason to care for him, you cant relate to him.

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    @deathpoolthet1000: Stomp Batman? the second and third stanzas, can you rephrase them for me?

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    @ganon15: There is two concepts of Batman today.

    Bruce Wayne is Batman and Bruce Wayne is a Suit of Batman.

    When Batman is Bruce Wayne, he has a human side.

    When he is only Batman and Bruce Wayne is a suit, there is no human side.

    What Batman is superior, the one that has humanity or the one that has no humanity?

    The one that has humanity obviously, since you can relate to him, he is like you and everybody else.

    The Batman that is alway Batman is doom to fail, since he is going no place and dont care for the rest, he has no humanity, so he dont care about humans, he is mor about stop the villains that save the people.

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    They were both awesome watch The new Batman adventures he stepped up then. Stop complaining.

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    @crissdragon: If batman was written like e was in TAS he would literally die

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    JL Batman was SUCH a dick at times.

    The scene where he tells Clark to cry him a river springs to mind. If I were Superman, I would have decked Batman because of that.

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    @jayc1324 said:

    @crissdragon: If batman was written like e was in TAS he would literally die

    Still that dont explain why he was emotionally dead and it looks it didnt had a soul, TAS was a hit because he had emotions.

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    I kinda have to disagree Batman from the Jl and JLU series actually used his brains most of the time rather than his gadgets. Perfect example was during the episode were Lex forms the first injustice society and captures Batman. Batman could have escaped anytime but used the situation to be able to get all the villains inside the building while also being able to contact The JL and to also at the same time manipulate both Grundy and cheetah in helping him to warn the league about the bomb in the watchtower. Another example is when the league is in the alternative earth and were batman from the flashless world and the regular batman are fighting in the batcave and regular batman gives up only so that he could influence the justice lord batman into helping him rescue the other members of the justice league and get back to this world. I do see we're u r coming from that batman does use more gadgets in the JL and JLU series but that's only becuase the opponents he faces requires him to use more advanced gadgets then from his solo days.

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    @jayc1324 said:

    @crissdragon: If batman was written like e was in TAS he would literally die

    Still that dont explain why he was emotionally dead and it looks it didnt had a soul, TAS was a hit because he had emotions.

    Yeah because when he stayed with Ace until she died, he was emotionally dead, Also when he thought that Wonder woman was dead and tried to dig to take out her body, he was emotionally dead right? He had less moments because it was not his animated series, he was just a backup member. Also when someone is younger they usually are more emotional, and batman when he got older to much happen to him.

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    @deathpoolthet1000 said:

    @jayc1324 said:

    @crissdragon: If batman was written like e was in TAS he would literally die

    Still that dont explain why he was emotionally dead and it looks it didnt had a soul, TAS was a hit because he had emotions.

    Yeah because when he stayed with Ace until she died, he was emotionally dead, Also when he thought that Wonder woman was dead and tried to dig to take out her body, he was emotionally dead right? He had less moments because it was not his animated series, he was just a backup member. Also when someone is younger they usually are more emotional, and batman when he got older to much happen to him.

    You notice that is him being emotional for the sake of the plot, not because is in character right?

    @ganon15 said:

    @deathpoolthet1000: Good point, yeah he was treated like a god in JL/U.

    Not only there, like i had point, he is getting less human, in TDK Returns, he needs to Superman be weak, there is no sun so he never gets full power, kryptonite, tech armour, outside help and a logn etc.

    Now he needs only a kryptonite ring.

    Nos he can dodge him with his normal reflexes, without any extra help.

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    @black_arrow said:

    @deathpoolthet1000 said:

    @jayc1324 said:

    @crissdragon: If batman was written like e was in TAS he would literally die

    Still that dont explain why he was emotionally dead and it looks it didnt had a soul, TAS was a hit because he had emotions.

    Yeah because when he stayed with Ace until she died, he was emotionally dead, Also when he thought that Wonder woman was dead and tried to dig to take out her body, he was emotionally dead right? He had less moments because it was not his animated series, he was just a backup member. Also when someone is younger they usually are more emotional, and batman when he got older to much happen to him.

    You notice that is him being emotional for the sake of the plot, not because is in character right?

    How can it be for the sake of the plot everytime that he had affection for Wonderwoman and the point of the scene with Ace was to show that Batman cares for the people, because Terry was accusing Bruce from the same things you do. Also the could have omitted that episode It wasnt needed most of the time there arent Epilogues, So how can it be for the sake of the plot?

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    @black_arrow: Becuase they try to push the romance between Wonder Woman and Batman, something we had no evidence it could happen, also if dying is part of the plot is for plot reasons, if is going to play for a large things or try to make him look emotional, Bruce was getting more emotionally cold, i am not the only person that notice this was happening in the since TAS change of looks.

    In the past you could see Bruce having emotions for no other reason that was in character, no other bigger plan or plan to be used in the future.

    There was no reason behind it, like you point they made it so he didnt look emotionally cold.

    He had emotions because he had them, now he has emotions to show he has emotions, that is plot reasons.

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    @black_arrow: Becuase they try to push the romance between Wonder Woman and Batman, something we had no evidence it could happen, also if dying is part of the plot is for plot reasons, if is going to play for a large things or try to make him look emotional, Bruce was getting more emotionally cold, i am not the only person that notice this was happening in the since TAS change of looks.

    In the past you could see Bruce having emotions for no other reason that was in character, no other bigger plan or plan to be used in the future.

    There was no reason behind it, like you point they made it so he didnt look emotionally cold.

    He had emotions because he had them, now he has emotions to show he has emotions, that is plot reasons.

    I am going to agree that he was a more cold but if you think about it he had reasons to be more cold. He ended in bad terms with his first and oldest partner and he felt in love with woman that his old partner was in love too so in JL he had reasons to be cold because his life was more complicated and he wanted to focus more in his Batman life of fighting crime and in his Bruce Wayne part.

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    I'm going to guess that JL comes after TAS Batman (this isn't a generalization of yea, one was in the early 90's one was this later, I mean the adventures in the JL aren't during the same time span as TAS)? I only mention this because this would make for a much colder Batman that was mentioned earlier, as well as his even higher intelligence. Even the difference between Bruce Wayne on TAS and JL has a difference in emotion. So maybe this comes from the extra years of tragedy and loss, etc. Let's say that the events that we know of from Return of the Joker have already happened by the time JL started, this would account for the lack of emotion. You do have to wonder though how as he is older in JL than TAS, how is he physically stronger? I mean seriously, he's electrocuted, faces some ridiculous super villains, and is even thrown through a few walls for god sakes. I think I've only seen one episode where he was hurt, put on a stretcher and was like scolding Clark and Diana (who he still apparently may have been having some sort of thing with)

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    @deathpoolthet1000: There's no way that STAS Superman was weaker than Justice League S1 Superman. At least STAS Superman could take a wallop but still get back on his feet. In S1 he was nothing more than a punching bag. Even Hades knocked him the f*ck out with just one slap.

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    @ganon15 said:

    @deathpoolthet1000: There's no way that STAS Superman was weaker than Justice League S1 Superman. At least STAS Superman could take a wallop but still get back on his feet. In S1 he was nothing more than a punching bag. Even Hades knocked him the f*ck out with just one slap.

    MMMMMM?

    I dont know what to think.

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    @deathpoolthet1000: I think TNBA had the perfect Batman, not too feeble like in BTAS occasionally, but not perfect like in Justice League/Unlimited. But I agree with you on how he showed more emotion in BTAS as Bruce Wayne, I wasn't a fan of how cold he was in the latter shows.

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    #41  Edited By russellmania77

    Same Fking person

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    Batman JLAS is by far my favorite version of the character, I love Justice League level Batman. So I guess my answer is no. To me Batman is a superhero and thus he should be super heroic. Besides even when he was actually a badass on that show he still got taken down pretty quickly when fighting WW, or Amazo and even a powered Luthor or Darkside. I.e every villain that should be able to beat him did, but he was still worthy of being in the team. I don't really understand why people don't want Batman to have any feats in a Justice League story.

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    Batman JLAS is by far my favorite version of the character, I love Justice League level Batman. So I guess my answer is no. To me Batman is a superhero and thus he should be super heroic. Besides even when he was actually a badass on that show he still got taken down pretty quickly when fighting WW, or Amazo and even a powered Luthor or Darkside. I.e every villain that should be able to beat him did, but he was still worthy of being in the team. I don't really understand why people don't want Batman to have any feats in a Justice League story.

    Hero (male) and heroine (female) came to refer to characters who, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, display courage and the will for self sacrifice—that is, heroism—for some greater good of all humanity. This definition originally referred to martial courage or excellence but extended to more general moral excellence.

    If he is too powerfull, he isnt a hero at all, since that mean no courage, no will and no self sacrifice.

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    #44  Edited By ganon15

    @papinacho: He's not a superhero, he has no superpowers! He shouldn't be able to survive most hits he gets from those people you mentioned because at the end of the day he's just human! His plot armor is ridiculous

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    @ganon15 said:

    @papinacho: He's not a superhero, he has no superpowers! He shouldn't be able to survive most hits he gets from those people you mentioned because at the end of the day he's just human! His plot armor is ridiculous

    You don't need powers to be a superhero in comics.

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    @ganon15 said:

    @papinacho: He's not a superhuman, he has no superpowers! He shouldn't be able to survive most hits he gets from those people you mentioned because at the end of the day he's just human! His plot armor is ridiculous

    Fixed!!!!

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    He is a superhero because he faces super human threats and succeeds in containing them. I agree with you that Batman is not a realistic human but he isn't meant to be. Even in Year One he split a tree in two and took down a SWAT squad, a real human could never do that. Batman is a DC human and a DC human can take those punches from those people and still keep on standing. Like I said favorite version of the character.

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    @ganon15 said:

    @papinacho: He's not a superhuman, he has no superpowers! He shouldn't be able to survive most hits he gets from those people you mentioned because at the end of the day he's just human! His plot armor is ridiculous

    Fixed!!!!

    Fixed??

    He is a superhero because he faces super human threats and succeeds in containing them. I agree with you that Batman is not a realistic human but he isn't meant to be. Even in Year One he split a tree in two and took down a SWAT squad, a real human could never do that. Batman is a DC human and a DC human can take those punches from those people and still keep on standing. Like I said favorite version of the character.

    Then why does everyone always calls him "relatable" and always use the "he's human!" card to glorify him?

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    Arkham games Batman

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    @ganon15 said:

    @deathpoolthet1000 said:

    @ganon15 said:

    @papinacho: He's not a superhuman, he has no superpowers! He shouldn't be able to survive most hits he gets from those people you mentioned because at the end of the day he's just human! His plot armor is ridiculous

    Fixed!!!!

    Fixed??

    @papinacho said:

    He is a superhero because he faces super human threats and succeeds in containing them. I agree with you that Batman is not a realistic human but he isn't meant to be. Even in Year One he split a tree in two and took down a SWAT squad, a real human could never do that. Batman is a DC human and a DC human can take those punches from those people and still keep on standing. Like I said favorite version of the character.

    Then why does everyone always calls him "relatable" and always use the "he's human!" card to glorify him?

    I change hero for human.

    Also the second one is true, if Batman is as godalike ad the rest of the character, he is not more relatable that them and he isnt as human as they want to belive.

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