After the events of AvX and Cyclops being imprisoned, could Havok really step up and be a better leader for the X-Men than Cyclops (minus the crazy Phoenix wielding version)?

Possibly, but I am leaning towards no

Havok has shown some potential (Mutant X) as well as near total incompetence (X-Factor and X-Men). This is a good chance for him to establish himself as one of the better 2nd tier of X-leadership, but he is not ready to take the reigns by any means. As badly written and batsh!t crazy as Cyclops has been shown, Havok is still a very pale imitation.

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Possibly, but I am leaning towards no

Havok has shown some potential (Mutant X) as well as near total incompetence (X-Factor and X-Men). This is a good chance for him to establish himself as one of the better 2nd tier of X-leadership, but he is not ready to take the reigns by any means. As badly written and batsh!t crazy as Cyclops has been shown, Havok is still a very pale imitation.

I agree, but I think if Havk is given a chance to grow he could be, but most likely the "I'm my brothers shadow" thing will hold him back as it always has.

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Possibly, but I am leaning towards no

Havok has shown some potential (Mutant X) as well as near total incompetence (X-Factor and X-Men). This is a good chance for him to establish himself as one of the better 2nd tier of X-leadership, but he is not ready to take the reigns by any means. As badly written and batsh!t crazy as Cyclops has been shown, Havok is still a very pale imitation.

Incompetence? Could you list some examples?

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Possibly, but I am leaning towards no

Havok has shown some potential (Mutant X) as well as near total incompetence (X-Factor and X-Men). This is a good chance for him to establish himself as one of the better 2nd tier of X-leadership, but he is not ready to take the reigns by any means. As badly written and batsh!t crazy as Cyclops has been shown, Havok is still a very pale imitation.

Agreed

@Brazen_Intellect: You forget his defeat of Gabriel during War of Kings.

No and he's an Avenger.

@evilvegeta74 said:

I miss this era of the X-Men, where mutants were an vibrant part of culture. Morrison deserves more credit for commenting on the staleness of X-Men stories

@VampireSelektor said:

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Possibly, but I am leaning towards no

Havok has shown some potential (Mutant X) as well as near total incompetence (X-Factor and X-Men). This is a good chance for him to establish himself as one of the better 2nd tier of X-leadership, but he is not ready to take the reigns by any means. As badly written and batsh!t crazy as Cyclops has been shown, Havok is still a very pale imitation.

Incompetence? Could you list some examples?

The entire run of X-Factor as a government sponsored team? He made Captain Britain's leadership of Excalibur look good by comparison.

@TheCrowbar said:

@Brazen_Intellect: You forget his defeat of Gabriel during War of Kings.

Never read all the way through War of Kings, could only make it so far before getting bored to tears. If it's a good enough showing to mention i'll have to give it a 2nd look.

@Brazen_Intellect said:

@VampireSelektor said:

@Brazen_Intellect said:

Possibly, but I am leaning towards no

Havok has shown some potential (Mutant X) as well as near total incompetence (X-Factor and X-Men). This is a good chance for him to establish himself as one of the better 2nd tier of X-leadership, but he is not ready to take the reigns by any means. As badly written and batsh!t crazy as Cyclops has been shown, Havok is still a very pale imitation.

Incompetence? Could you list some examples?

The entire run of X-Factor as a government sponsored team? He made Captain Britain's leadership of Excalibur look good by comparison.

@TheCrowbar said:

@Brazen_Intellect: You forget his defeat of Gabriel during War of Kings.

Never read all the way through War of Kings, could only make it so far before getting bored to tears. If it's a good enough showing to mention i'll have to give it a 2nd look.

Really? I'll have to read Peter David's X-Factor to be sure. Could you list specific displays of his incompetence?

@CobaltArchangel:

Well in a team full of leaders, essentially it would be hard to lead them! Captain America, Wolverine, Rogue, Thor (maybe Scarlet Witch... kinda) have all lead in their time... Havok has leverage too, having lead several times since his creation but his leadership has never been... strong!!

Out with one summers brother, in with the next

With due time and development, yes he can.

Lol no. The guy's tried far too hard trying to image himself like the brother he will never be.

And when you consider the fact that Havok doesn't even classify himself as an X-Man anymore, the answer to the question's more than obvious.

He could be a good Avengers leader, it depends on what the writer will do with him, Remender seems to like him though so maybe he'll write him better than others have in the past.

hes not an X man so no, an Avengers leader sure. I mean look at all the screw ups Cap made during AvX and hes still the face of the franchise, how can Havok do any worst :D

@McKlayn said:

hes not an X man so no, an Avengers leader sure. I mean look at all the screw ups Cap made during AvX and hes still the face of the franchise, how can Havok do any worst :D

Well, for starters, he could obtain a cosmic force, try to rule the world via dictatorship, attack his own girlfriend for more power, kill his father figure, and attempt to destroy the world. That might do it! LOL. ;-P

He could be a ok team leader but I don't see him being better then Scott. Ignoring my opinion of Scott in AvX that is.

No. I like Havok, but unfortunately for him, his lack of consistent membership in the X-Men hurt any leadership qualifications he might have had in the long run. It's a popularity contest, with the other X characters and the real life fans, and he's consistently been portrayed as a 2nd tier leader.

Not a patch on Cyclops or Storm.

Also, Havok generally sucks.

He is second tier. He is not a top tier x-leader. I am not sure he is even been an X-men officially enough to qualify as a Senior X-men

He wouldn't be my pick but he'll do alright and his is the face they want at the moment--a Summers.

If someone wearing that outfit tried to lead my team I'd laugh him out the room