Well Widow looks young when they elude to her getting operated on. She seems to be a central story in this flick. It does look like Hulk gets mind manipulated, and if i were take a guess (im usually pretty good at this) I think Scarlet witch is behind it as they (QS and her) are aiding Ultron in the beginning of the film. Ultron kinda rips the team apart and they go their separate ways on fools errands. All which is a ploy so he can buy time to create his New body. By the time the team realizes what he is playing at, it's too late. He then proceeds to wreck them killing 1 or 2 (here's looking at you Hawkeye and mayyyybe QS) they find out they are outmatched, so they become friends with Scarlet witch, explaining to her that Ultron used them leading to her bros death and create Vision. Of course there will be other threats going on to keep the whole team busy in the climax, but that's the gist.

@winter_kills: I agree that in the cinematic universe roster, Thor is the only one that can take on Hulk (until the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel film) I'd just like to see Hulk portrayed as the hero I know he is

@the_stegman: Agreed. Did he forget about his incredible maturity during the first Thor? :/

@gregalicious: I also liked the Ant-Man trailer better.

No Vision... but great... good move to hold on Vision until big screen...

That was fantastic. Super hyped for the film.

Wow, Tony and Hulk do not seem to care about civilian casualties at all lmao

Spoiler: Ultron is Pinocchio.

Awwww yiiiissssss.

Its the personification of death! 3 reasons why it is and not dona milaje or shuri

-1st AOU trailer Thor raises in agony, yelling, from this same pool (at least a 90% match)- Maybe he just died and/or realized he got sent to valhalla/hel - also fits Whedons death theme, without really "killing" a charachter or taking them out of the universe

- 2nd She disrobes a large black robe, with a huge black hood - and when you zoom in, in high res, she has a protrusion/scar on her left cheek. Check out this pic Match anybody?

- 3rd: Joss Whedon has stated that the theme of AOU (or how to make it bigger, better, more dramatic than evengers 1) is Death, death, and death!

I have no doubt they go to wakanda, but this aint that! At least to me the evidence seems to point to the fact that she's death 3x more than her being a Wakandan person - anybody else agree now upon seeing this?

Not sure If you guys have seen this yet or not but it brings up another question: Who the hell is that behind Thor?

Exactly, I like the idea "Hulk is hero". The fans know it, the films should reflect it. I feel every time Hulk a little forward in that respect, he, & his fans, get taken back to the redundancy of him being the misunderstood, hunted man-monster. It's past time for Hulk to be recognized as the hero he is & always has been.

@mariomariomario: interesting theory, could you elaborate a little more on Thor being dead and who that black chick is?

I've thought about that myself, I keep re-analyzing the scenes, esp. the ones with Thor & Hulk, trying to get a full picture of what's going on. But even if he is redirecting a lightning/electrical based attack, it's still a show of his power without Mjolnir; that he doesn't need Mjolnir to control such forces, which is something the movies haven't shown.

My response is into speculation who this chick is - she is the personification of death, the reasons in my post just a bit above

@mariomariomario said:

@ccraft said:

@mariomariomario: interesting theory, could you elaborate a little more on Thor being dead and who that black chick is?

My response is into speculation who this chick is - she is the personification of death, the reasons in my post just a bit above

Im thinking this could all be apart of what SW 'Showed him' like Cap and Iron man referred too. I think your theory makes sense. That is death, and she lures him into the water, where he has visions of Ragnorok, which is his next movie. So, he doesn't die ACTUALLY, but kinda visualizes it.

@winter_kills: *insert gif of Orson Wells clapping*

@machomustachio:

LoL

We need more heroic, crowd-pleasing Hulk moments like this:

@wardemon32: yeah because DC invented dark themed movies

@cortadew said:

You've missed the entire point but okay.

Interesting tidbits, potentially spoiler-ish-y.

Looking at the IMDB they have a character listing for Rick Mason A.K.A The Agent

They also have a listing for a guy called Sok. I have no clue what that means, but if you look at the character playing him, he has strong facial features. Put that together with the name mentioned above, and i think you should wind up right where i did, Phineas Mason A.K.A The Tinkerer.

I think deadpool would have been fun to see in this movie