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Why Diversity in Comics is Much More Important Than You Think

It's not just about us. It's about future generations as well.

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The comic book industry has changed a lot with the past generation. Whether it's the comic book movies bringing fans to the theaters in droves, the animated series captivating kids, or the toys in every store screaming to be played with, this industry is growing in a much different way. People from all walks of life are jumping onto comic books. According to our analytics, 45% of the folks that visit Comic Vine are female. Moreso, people from different cultures and races are also coming into comics at a larger rate. The stereotype of only white, nerdy males read comics is slowly fading away because comic book heroes and villains have invaded American culture, along with the rest of the world.

However, characters within comics aren't changing as quickly. There's a plethora of reasons why the change in comics isn't happening as fast as the readership is, but what people need to realize is that having more diverse characters within comic books is much more important than reflecting those who read the books.

I was in a comic book store, over the weekend. There was a kid (let's call him "Ted") about the age of 10 looking for comics and needed some suggestions. The guy behind the counter asked me to help out, and I showed "Ted" some various books. He said he liked Spider-Man, but trade-wise, all the store had was SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN, which, in my opinion, is way too heavy for someone that age, so I showed him ULTIMATE COMICS SPIDER-MAN. I told him it was a really cool book because Peter Parker was no longer Spider-Man and this new Spider-Man was really close to his age. He flipped through and saw Spider-Man, in a black suit, kicking some bad guy butt, and he told me it looked really cool. He then flipped to a page where he saw Miles Morales and started laughing. I asked him why he was laughing and he said "he's black."

Now, "Ted" is a good kid. I know his mother, who is incredibly nice, caring and completely normal, but it seems like he's been in an environment, at some point, where some closed-minded folks have put thoughts in his head. He's young and impressionable, so I told him about how cool I thought Miles Morales is and that I actually like him more than Peter Parker, which is all true. Then, another customer chimed in and said he thought Miles was a really cool character and skin color doesn't matter. The guy behind the counter did as well. All-in-all, it turned into a cool moment, and "Ted" ended up excited and bought the book.

People aren't born with prejudice. A baby's first words aren't words of hate. They're usually just words they are familiar with because their parents or someone else around them said them. Hate is taught, and I'm pretty sure almost everyone reading this will agree. There's no better way to stop hate than to educate a whole new generation of readers. How do you do this? By showing people from different walks of life. It's the whole idea of showing readers that people from different cultures and races may seem different from them, but at the end of the day, we're all pretty much the same. That seems silly, but it's a lesson that could be important for the upcoming generation.

From G. Willow Wilson & Adrian Alphona's MS. MARVEL
From G. Willow Wilson & Adrian Alphona's MS. MARVEL

Within comics, there are books doing this. At Marvel, MILES MORALES: THE ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN, YOUNG AVENGERS, and MS. MARVEL are leading the way. MILES MORALES does a fantastic job at giving readers someone to relate to, even if their skin color is different. YOUNG AVENGERS shows readers that it doesn't matter if you love the same sex or the opposite sex. MS. MARVEL does an amazing job at giving readers insight into what home-life is like in an Islamic family. DC does a fine job at providing strong, well-written female characters like Wonder Woman, Batwoman, and Batgirl, among others. They also have a long list of characters from different cultures that could easily drive their own books, such as Blue Beetle, Cyborg, and Steel.

The point of all of this isn't to make diverse characters for the sake of diverse characters. It's about never having a kid laugh or judge a character in a book because that character isn't the default, which is a white, heterosexual male. Sure, it's true that the majority of readers are white males, but as an industry, making baby steps away from that could be a start.

With any large problem, there is no easy answer though. It's not as simple as editorial shouting "we need more diverse characters" and everything magically falling into place. However, it feels like both Marvel and DC are in a transitional phase to move closer to much more diverse worlds. This is a good start, but another part of this problem is will fans accept this?

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New 52 Wally West

In recent months, there's been quite a lot of controversy over characters changing over at DC. Since it's the New 52 and this is a whole new world, creators and editors can take liberties with some characters because they've never been introduced before. The biggest one, in recent, was changing Wally West from white to black. Wally West fans are outraged because it wasn't the character they knew and loved pre-New 52. In addition, there were some personality changes as well, but it's still really early to say the character was ruined or anything over-dramatic like that. This is a subject we've talked to death on the Comic Vine podcast in recent weeks, and most discussions end with me not understanding why fans are upset. Without getting heavily into this whole debate, over changing characters versus creating new ones, it's important to remember that as long as the characters are written well and are compelling on the page, then we should all just enjoy what's presented, and if we don't, then don't buy it.

Creating a more diverse world for comic book characters to live in is not just important because the growing market contains more than just white, heterosexual males reading and these new fans may want characters that reflect them. It's important to educate a whole new generation of readers to show them that it doesn't matter where you're from, what you look like, or who you love, every different type of person on this planet is still a person. In essence, we're all the same. We're all comic book readers and comic books are and should be for everyone.

Mat "Inferiorego" Elfring writes and podcasts on Comic Vine, tweets about comics and wrestling, and sings "What's Up" by 4 Non-Blondes way too much for a man in his 30s.

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@captainmarvel4ever said:

@dernman: I'm not blaming other things, it's clear that those examples highlight DC's inability to create new and interesting diverse characters. If they can't write them well, then they have failed. So it looks like it may be either race change or no diversity.

Yes you were. You said because fans had a lack of interest in new diverse characters.

Not in any way does it highlight that. They failed for the same reason all the other books that were not diverse failed. Not to mention those characters are hardly new.

Sorry but that last bit is idiotic conclusion. That's saying you rather them address the problem by creating more problems (that go with race changing) instead of fixing their bad writing problem (that should be done anyway). It also ignores team books. It also ignores that there is no guarantee a race change would make it with bad writing.

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first, this is the funniest thing i've read all week:

One last point I'd like to disagree with and I know all the people who want to be politically correct are gonna have a field day with this. But I disagree that all people are "people." There are several groups of people that I don't believe qualify as people but I'm going to use on as an example. Let me first say, I believe there is a difference between being a human and being a person. One can be one and not the other. One can be both or neither. Anyway, what I believe makes someone a person, whether human or not, is for lack of a better term, having a soul. I don't believe that people with conditions such as down syndrome, cerebral palsy, or severe low-functioning autism have souls. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the spectrum myself, which means I have been exposed to these people a lot more than many and that is much of what has formed my opinion. Believe what you will, but I cannot imagaine these people having souls. They seem more to me like inanimate objects. Anyway, that is all I have to say.

awesome.

second, most are stating that there needs to be more diversity. if Marvel and DC are hurting because theyre not effectively hitting the black/asian/dark italian/martian markets, then yes, they *need* to do something to reach those markets. obviously theyre trying to do something, but if fans dont give a crap about "diverse" characters like Vibe or Batwing and the comics sell so poorly as to hurt Marvel/DC, then they *need* to cancel them and go with properties that actually make them money.

some of you seem to think this is something that matters culturally. its not, its business, and the companies participating in this business owe it to themselves to do what works.

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@dernman: I'm not blaming other things, it's clear that those examples highlight DC's inability to create new and interesting diverse characters. If they can't write them well, then they have failed. So it looks like it may be either race change or no diversity.

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@captainmarvel4ever said:

@madeinbangladesh: DC promoted series like Vibe, Static, Katana and Blue Beetle, and fans didn't care. As I said, this is probably how they have to do it.

The problem with that was all but Vibe which was only marginally good pretty much sucked. I read all these series giving them a chance.

Static has a good sized fan base but the book was terrible and barely recognizable from what people loved about the character. Even the writer criticize how DC kept messing up his story so much that nothing of what was his ended up in the book. IIRC he said he ashamed to have his name attached to it because of it. As a fan of the character because of the cartoon it was sorely disappointing.

Blue Beetle has a fans also but they had no idea what to do with him taking him away from his home.

Both of those could have made it.

Katana was notorious for its bad writing which is all you hear from people who were reading it.

You want to use examples of of good books don't make it because of lack of interest there are better examples but it's annoying when people keep pointing to books that fail because of terrible writing and blame it on other things.

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@rubear: It may not be creative, but I'm just trying to get a message through.

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@captainmarvel4ever said:

@rubear: How am I a troll?

That kind of troll. You know, posting identical posts is't very creative way to troll)))

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See what i mean about CaptainMarvel4Ever? Troll.

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@jonny_anonymous: Yes it's the company failing to make new diverse characters, so they if they want to be diverse, that may be how they have to do it.

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@captain13: The Milestone Universe was merged with the DC Universe when Final Crisis happened. DC could use the Milestone characters if they wanted to. The thing is they only wanted to develop Static and not the other characters like Icon, Hardware, Xombi, Blood Syndicate, and Shadow Cabinet. If DC utilized the Milestone stuff they could have a lot more diversity without having to resort to race-swapping. I also agree that they should promote more of their own established characters like John Stewart.

The universes merged, but they are only licensing the characters so they have no incentive to invest in them

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@rubear: I have no idea what your talking about, I'm facing the facts head on, DC has failed at making new diverse characters, so if people want diversity, that's probably how they have to do it.

DC hasn't failed at making new diverse characters, they just failed at writing interesting stories with them and then promoting them.

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@rubear: I have no idea what your talking about, I'm facing the facts head on, DC has failed at making new diverse characters, so if people want diversity, that's probably how they have to do it.

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@rubear: Not sure what your saying, point is DC has failed at making new diverse characters, so that may be the way they need to do things.

My point is that you are troll)
You already understand reasons of this failing and foolishness of racechange method, but you coninue dispute to troll otherminded people.

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@rubear: the problem with Milestone characters is that DC didn't fully own the rights to them so they have to share the profits

So Superior Copyright Comics, eh? Like that where Captain Marvel meets Captains from Marvel and court marshalls...
Well, that's explain it.

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@rubear: Not sure what your saying, point is DC has failed at making new diverse characters, so that may be the way they need to do things.

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@captainmarvel4ever said:

@rubear: How do you know Milestone will be successful? Static wasn't. If DC can't sell Static of all characters, then that just proves even more race change may be necessary.

You know, isolation from other world with bad writing don't help to sell brand-new-unknown ongoings.
And i have more and more suspitions...)

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@rubear: the problem with Milestone characters is that DC didn't fully own the rights to them so they have to share the profits

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@rubear: How do you know Milestone will be successful? Static wasn't. If DC can't sell Static of all characters, then that just proves even more race change may be necessary.

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@rubear: Yes I do thought about that, and that's why DC may need to change races.

What DC really need is good stories about new and existing characters and not stupid racechanges.
Relaunch of Milestone, return of Static or Black Lightning to the fore and ets. Return in ongoings or during events and not in brand-new-unknown-and-therefore-not-interesting-to-many-in-the-beginning comics. If you not understand this simple point you are either naive or troll)))

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@rubear said:

@captainmarvel4ever said:

@madeinbangladesh: DC promoted series like Vibe, Static, Katana and Blue Beetle, and fans didn't care. As I said, this is probably how they have to do it.

*Finger snap*

Look at pre-New52 volumes of Blue Beetle and Cassandra Batgirl for example. They were long.

Maaaybe there is problem in writing and not in characters or their races, no?) Maybe new and di-ver-se characters are sometimes just not interesting enough to warrant their own series form the beginning? Do you thought about this?)

Yes exactly, The writing is also the problem with DC. a lot of times, it is so bland. You can't just promote things that doesn't look interesting. People would have bought the comics if they looked interesting.

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I love how ethnic diversity seems to be more important than cultural diversity. There's rarely any non-American characters.

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@rubear: Yes I do thought about that, and that's why DC may need to change races.

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@madeinbangladesh: DC promoted series like Vibe, Static, Katana and Blue Beetle, and fans didn't care. As I said, this is probably how they have to do it.

*Finger snap*
Look at pre-New52 volumes of Blue Beetle and Cassandra Batgirl for example. They were long.
Maaaybe there is problem in writing and not in characters or their races, no?) Maybe new and di-ver-se characters are sometimes just not interesting enough to warrant their own series form the beginning? Do you thought about this?)

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@christianrapper: that's like saying since most comic writers are white straight males all characters need to be white straight males. Also quite a lot of writers are not in fact American: Moore, Morrison, Ellis, Lemire, Millar, Ennis, Abnett, Ewing, Cornell, Gaiman and the list goes on.

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@madeinbangladesh: DC promoted series like Vibe, Static, Katana and Blue Beetle, and fans didn't care. As I said, this is probably how they have to do it.

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@madeinbangladesh: DC tried introducing several new diverse characters, and fans didn't latch on. Maybe changing race is just how DC has to do diversity. Besides it wasn't up to them, Wally is going to be black in the new Flash TV show, so the higher ups at WB made it happen.

@god_spawn: Actually there is harm, to people who think Carol should keep the name Ms. Marvel, because taking the name Captain Marvel makes here seem like she was always less important, and it troubles me a fan of Billy as Captain Marvel knowing DC and Marvel are still playing the same litigious games they were decades ago.

Fans didn't lacth on because they didn't know how to sell the characters to the public. DC sucks at promoting stuff. Why do you think so many of their books get cancelled? Look at amarvel and how good Ms. MArvel is doing.

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@madeinbangladesh: DC tried introducing several new diverse characters, and fans didn't latch on. Maybe changing race is just how DC has to do diversity. Besides it wasn't up to them, Wally is going to be black in the new Flash TV show, so the higher ups at WB made it happen.

@god_spawn: Actually there is harm, to people who think Carol should keep the name Ms. Marvel, because taking the name Captain Marvel makes here seem like she was always less important, and it troubles me a fan of Billy as Captain Marvel knowing DC and Marvel are still playing the same litigious games they were decades ago.

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I think diversity in comics is great, as it allows readers of many different backgrounds to have characters that they can relate to.

That being said, I hate it when Marvel takes a white hero from the 616 universe, then makes said character black, asian or hispanic in the Ultimate Universe.

"Oh yeah, Peter Parker died in this universe so the new guy's black."

Want to introduce a teenage, female muslim hero? Great.

CREATE ONE.

Why call her Ms. Marvel? She has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with Carol Danvers, except that she admired her. Couldn't they think of another name?

That's just lazy writing.

I think taking a version of a character and changing them in an alternate universe is a lot better off than changing their race in the supposed mainstream universe. It's an alternate universe for a reason so they don't have to follow the continuity rather than retconning them into it. In an alternate universe they made Wolverine and Hercules gay despite both their main 616 counterparts having some of the longest track records when it comes to ladies. Because those are alternate versions of the characters, people don't really need to complain since at the end of the day it doesn't matter in continuity. The difference here with Wally West is that Wally has been one of the most anticipated characters for the new52. DC basically went ahead and drastically changed the character for their main universe and called it Wally when it doesn't remotely resemble him.

As for Ms. Marvel, characters pass on mantels all the time. If a person admires someone to the point they emulate them, then that actually makes sense. Carol went to the Captain Marvel name and an admirer that wants to be like her took an open name. No harm no foul.

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@ripcurl said:

I think diversity in comics is great, as it allows readers of many different backgrounds to have characters that they can relate to.

That being said, I hate it when Marvel takes a white hero from the 616 universe, then makes said character black, asian or hispanic in the Ultimate Universe.

"Oh yeah, Peter Parker died in this universe so the new guy's black."

Want to introduce a teenage, female muslim hero? Great.

CREATE ONE.

Why call her Ms. Marvel? She has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with Carol Danvers, except that she admired her. Couldn't they think of another name?

That's just lazy writing.

Kid Marvel?

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If you don't like the changes made to characters don't read those comics. These characters are the property of their respective companies those companies can do whatever they want with them whether you like it or not.

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@rubear: T heir is lot of more dark-skinned italian in south Italia, for example Sicilia.

I'm Italian and I can confirm :)

Even if not so recurring as many American may think, Italian MAY be slightly dark-skinned, and She may be Italian :)

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So... I'm over 30 year old comic book reader, I'm male, white, Catholic and Italian... and I love the new Ms. Marvel, Khamala Khan, a Darkskinned, Pakistan, Muslim Teenager.

Why? Well... is something new!!!

Simply! After near 25 years reading comics, manga e "fumetti" [Italian comics], She is something new!

[and I can hope that one day we can have an Italia character that is not Mafia-related, Church-related o All Pistols&Bullet (Thanks for the Punisher, Marvel!)([I love the Punisher, anyway)]

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I'm all for diversity in comics. (At least racial diversity, I do find sex changes disgusting and don't want to read about that in a medium I come to for enjoyment.)

So you're against the inclusion of a group of people, even though they'll also be reading the medium for enjoyment?

What do you find disgusting about it exactly?

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Great F**kin article!!!!!!!!!!! But I still dislike changing a race like Wally West just for the sake of it. Just create a damn new character and promote it like Marvel did with Ms. Marvel.

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She is not black, lol.

Their is lot of more dark-skinned italian in south Italia, for example Sicilia. And as you perhaps remember she spent some time in this book in Afica (?) which, you know, can make dark skin even darker because of suntan.

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what about helena Bertnelli being black ? she black now in the new 52.

Imagine situatuion when someone tells you that there is boggart under bed and to banish it he need to repaint all white walls in rainbow colours. And imagine that when you looked under this bed you saw no boggart at all. That's how i feel when i see really forced di-ver-si-ty, like poor Wallt West's one.

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@lyrafay said:

And also you don't need to like new versions of "insert character here," but you need to respect them as they are this people's versions. Something comic fans seems to forget while wading in waters of nostalgia.

Then why isn't Hal Jordan originally from a Navajo or Choctaw reservation? Why is an Atlantean like Aquaman still a white male with blonde hair? Why can't he have more North African features? Why is Cyborg not white? I don't think it's fair that a character originally created as a black individual cannot change into a white individual. I think that would be a good thing. What about Black Lightning, or Mr. Terrific? Surely people wouldn't cry foul if writers wanted to change the races of those characters, right?

You see, when you take your arguments to their logical conclusions, they sound completely and totally foolish. But everybody suddenly is fine with certain characters having their ethnicity changed from white into something else, but God forbid we change the race of the most iconic characters (outside of Wally), and God forbid we actually change an ethnic minority into a white character. That would be unfair, right?

When traditionally white characters are changed for no real reason, anyone who voices criticism(s) of the change is immediately dismissed with the standard bag of argumentative tricks: "You're racist!", "It's this new writer's vision, herp derp.", "It's a fictional character!". But if I were to become a major writer with DC, and then change the ethnicity of Cyborg, Black Lightning, Jon Stewart and Mr. Terrific to white, Anglo-Saxon males who went to Lutheran churches and talked about the Dow Jones in their free time, I would be ostracized from the comics community and branded a 'racist' and 'bigot' in the public sphere. It's a laughable double-standard that nobody wants to acknowledge.

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what about helena Bertnelli being black ? she black now in the new 52.

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Wonderful article! I also really liked the "Ted" story :)

Now, I don't mind it so much that they made Wally black (I do, but not too much), but my biggest problem with it is how they turned him into the racial stereotype of a troubled black kid. They made him a vandal who hates the cops (and even The Flash! His being The Flash's biggest fan was an important trait to the character, at least in my opinion) and gets into trouble a lot.

Still, even if they didn't do all that and keep his personality intact, I would have preferred if they instead created a new black character (I'd say a new black Flash but there already is one--though, I suppose not in the main universe) rather than changing a very significant character's race. But I'd like it a whole lot more than what they're doing now, of course.

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@m3th: This is his first appearance, there's plenty of time for him to grow into the Wally people love. Honestly the only character who's origin involves being good from the beginning is Captain Marvel's.

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Oh damn... I just noticed this is posted by Matt xD we never seem to agree. Please don't think I try to troll or argue for no reason. haha.

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@captainmarvel4ever: But wHat makes Wally a fan favorite is Him being tHe witty wisecracker and apparently He's tHe trouble maker.

-ABstract4$$#073-

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@captainmarvel4ever said:

@jonny_anonymous: Well Katana was a Japanese hero from Japan, and her book took place in Japan, but nobody likes Katana. Although if you want to read about Japanese characters in Japan from a comic, I guess you could just buy some manga.

I know there is some but not many and the vast majority of them all seem to live in America and hang out with only Americans.

that's because it's an american comic book. most people write books about stuff in their own coutries. how would an american writer write about a comic hero growing up in japan or germany. look at all the stuff. it's about their own country, too.

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What makes me pissed is not how they changed Wally's skin colour, but the fact that they changed his personality.

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@petey_is_spidey: DC tried introducing several new diverse characters, and fans didn't latch on. Maybe changing race is just how DC has to do diversity. Besides it wasn't up to them, Wally is going to be black in the new Flash TV show, so the higher ups at WB made it happen.

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I think diversity in comics is great, as it allows readers of many different backgrounds to have characters that they can relate to.

That being said, I hate it when Marvel takes a white hero from the 616 universe, then makes said character black, asian or hispanic in the Ultimate Universe.

"Oh yeah, Peter Parker died in this universe so the new guy's black."

Want to introduce a teenage, female muslim hero? Great.

CREATE ONE.

Why call her Ms. Marvel? She has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with Carol Danvers, except that she admired her. Couldn't they think of another name?

That's just lazy writing.

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Don't mind diversity, but don't change beloved, mainstream heroes/villains majorly(I'm looking at you new 52 DC Wally West).

To add diversity, make minority characters more popular by implementing them more, or create new characters, but don't go the lazy route and change a character(coming from a black guy here).

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While I did found interesting that DC changed Helena Bertnelli to black. However I think that is a good thing, it helps her stand out from the other Huntress but she also represents a group, black Sicilian women who are somewhat of an outspoken minority in their native country.

And also you don't need to like new versions of "insert character here," but you need to respect them as they are this people's versions. Something comic fans seems to forget while wading in waters of nostalgia.