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ORIGINAL SIN #7: What Made Thor Unworthy?

We know something makes him unworthy of Mjolnir.

If you haven't read this week's ORIGINAL SIN #7, there will be some tiny spoilers. It shouldn't be too much of a spoiler because when Marvel announced a female Thor was coming, back in July, it was also mentioned something happens to make Thor unworthy of Mjolnir.

The question is, what makes him unworthy?

In ORIGINAL SIN #7, the Avengers are fighting the true Nick Fury. They're not fully sure why he's now old or what his involvement in the death of the Watcher is but they're in full force to stop whatever he's doing. As Thor approaches Fury to take him out, Nick whispers something to Thor.

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You can barely see what Nick said. Looks like Thor was even caught off guard.

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What did he say, indeed? That's the big question. We've been wondering what Thor will do to become unworthy. It looks like maybe he already has done something. Is this something he just wasn't aware of? It's a little odd that if he committed some unworthy act, he shouldn't be able to wield Mjolnir. More likely he's done something that's caused a chain reaction and the final result was something really bad. Hearing about it is what made the Mjolnir unworthy clause kick in.

Still, if he did something, knowingly or unknowingly, you would think that'd become a factor, immediately. The result of this whisper was Thor being unable to lift the hammer.

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With all of this, we still don't know what was said. I actually read this issue on my iPad after getting it through the Marvel app. So of course I tried zooming in as much as I could.

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It almost looks like you can make out what was being said. Did they actually letter the big secret and then fuzz it out a little? Or is this just some gibberish to fool those of us that try to zoom in like this?

Let's hear from all of you. What do you think Thor did that made him unworthy? What did Fury whisper? I'm sure it wasn't that he left the water running during a drought on Asgard. What could Thor have done, without realizing it, that made him unworthy? Did he have to be aware of the act or was he aware and just kept it as his dark little secret?

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That's Aldrif's Hammer???

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@lazaroesparza46: that can't be. Thor is still his first born as I understood that odin sired him before he had any children with FRIGGA. He's not Zeus and not prone to cheating. Therefore I believe it was when he was younger and maybe not even married to FRIGGA yet. If anything Angela takes Balders place. Not Thor's. She's Balders full sister. Only half to Thor. And FRIGGA isn't anybody compared to Gaea.

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I think we found our whisper.

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The truth is nothing made Thor unworthy. Marvel just needed their most resent event 'Original Sin' to have some sort of consequence and at the same time they get to show they think women can be heroes just as great as Thor. We all know this will not be permanent but I do think the longer they can keep the identity of this new Thor a secret the longer it will last.

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THE AVENGERS 2: HEROES WITH NO POWERS

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fury said "your always written horribly aand the movie version of u is more popular"

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I Bet he said: "Marvel's '52' is coming, run!"

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Well The hammer was made for Thor I hate when they change things and cheapen the character it makes you never want to read a single book again because if they do it once. Where will they strike next?

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I think that Thor became unworthy because Nick Fury told him that he had a sister named Aldrif (Angela as we know her) and she is Odin's truly first born and not Thor himself. She was meant to receive mjolnir and not him. Anyway, my best guess:)

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@4thor said:

@keliac: This whisper was one of the most ridiculous things that i ever read in Marvel comics!

Thor isn't a mantle like other comic book characters (Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man), it's the character name that wasn't even created by Marvel.

I love if in the future, Angela could Kill this parasite character, with no identity or personality.

I agree horrible , I am thinking it is the enchantress but that would be kind of cool. Only because I like her lol....I would still say no because even she has a name and would never pretend to be Thor God of Thunder and manly women..... Sheman SheThor Thorshe or what ever..... I could never see somebody take the life of somebody else and not be considered a parasite at the very least.

I could never see anybody else be Iron Man because he is more then the armor he is so much more.... The same really for Captain America he to is about wisdem and age and leadersthip and a walk through the past in a time of war battle scars that go deep and the life of souls that have touched his life and are gone. Even the Hulk has so many sides to him that he is just complex. Super smart changes to fit the problem a walk in the park of never the same person and changes to fit the story. A great Writer can do so much with these guys and I wonder when comics will speak to the soul that is the adult in us all. To take the hand of the lovers and the fighters and the poets and declare that hope exist in the spirit of a great story.

Create me a great story and lets sit back and watch it unfold.

To many people want to make simple stories and say it is a comic after all not a graphic book not a tale that can stand alone but a story that has to fit into a larger universe.

Maybe that is our problem.

We need to start making stories that simply wow the readers , blow the minds of the watchers and make us hold our breaths in hope of something good on the next page.

Stop the PC crap and just create worlds so good you want to get lost every month in the story book of what if Thor walked among the land of the mortals and Iron Man flew and the Hulk really did smash.

What if we embraced the dream and made it come to life on the big screen because the idea was simply that amazing.

What if we never forgot how to fly.

Life is to short to forget about the basics.

To short indeed.

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@keliac: This whisper was one of the most ridiculous things that i ever read in Marvel comics!

Thor isn't a mantle like other comic book characters (Captain America, Spider-Man, Iron Man), it's the character name that wasn't even created by Marvel.

I love if in the future, Angela could Kill this parasite character, with no identity or personality.

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can i just say that as a woman even i find this story to be nonsense. i get promoting a more female friendly environment for women but giving another heros power and even his name to a woman just to promote gender diversity is just piss poor writing. theres a lot of great new stuff going on at marvel these days, and i cannot wait to see how much of it unfolds......but i think i will pass on this title until they give thor his name and hammer back.

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@kwhere2 said:

@arthurkerr: We could always get an interesting character out of it I guess. I mean Bucky got a lot of attention after he became Captain America. Maybe they hope the same tactic will help give Falcon some more exposure and a bigger role in the universe, even after he inevitably loses the mantle. They did it with Ms. Marvel too, and that turned out well. I'm sure at the end of the day it's really a way to cash in on the popularity of the Thor franchise by giving us a new, different "Thor" and still having the old one around, like they did with Spider-Man and Agent Venom, or for the X-Men with Schism, but maybe we can have fun with it while it's happening. Aaron is a competent writer. Maybe the new Thor will have some fun adventures.

I will pass on this story line. I prefer a Thor central story with side characters to help him on quest and his life. Not Thor is the side characters.

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@arthurkerr: We could always get an interesting character out of it I guess. I mean Bucky got a lot of attention after he became Captain America. Maybe they hope the same tactic will help give Falcon some more exposure and a bigger role in the universe, even after he inevitably loses the mantle. They did it with Ms. Marvel too, and that turned out well. I'm sure at the end of the day it's really a way to cash in on the popularity of the Thor franchise by giving us a new, different "Thor" and still having the old one around, like they did with Spider-Man and Agent Venom, or for the X-Men with Schism, but maybe we can have fun with it while it's happening. Aaron is a competent writer. Maybe the new Thor will have some fun adventures.

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@kwhere2 said:

@arthurkerr: That does change things. I didn't know about that. As for "Feeling worthy" I wouldn't exactly word it like that. "Feeling worthy" brings to mind more arrogance than anything. I also never said in my theory that conviction was the only thing the enchantment would have been looking for. Honor was probably pretty big. Feeling you're cause is always just is just arrogance. I do however think being ready and willing to fight for what you believe and having faith in your own abilities would fit in with an Asgardian definition of "worthy." They were a warrior culture, who saw combat as honorable and killing as a necessary means to an end. So for say Hitler, who killed millions of innocent people on a whim, indirectly and with horrible and cruel methods, no I don't think the hammer would have found him worthy no matter how much he believed in what he was doing. I also don't think the hammer would have used a "Meh good enough" mentality. Say the hammer has 5 criteria for worthiness. One of them is conviction. Say Thor exhibits 5/5 criteria. Then Fury breaks his convictions with whatever he said. hammer sees 4/5 and says "Nope. Not good enough." But none of this speculation on my part means anything anymore if Odin lifted the enchantment. Are you sure they didn't retcon that somewhere recently?

I am pretty sure it was never put back on in comics this is just another toss it in the pie and see whom bites thing.

I remember when somebody took over as captain America and I was like oh like I care about somebody else in the suit.

I think of Iron Man and I understand what people say anybody can wear the suit but you know that may be the case but there is only one Tony Stark and he embodies the armor. He can upgrade it on the fly , he can fix and make it stronger he shows us just why Tony is the one and only Iron Man.

Its not about the hammer that makes Thor whom he is , its not the powers it is the soul , the spirit guiding him through his thought process and the heart that pumps the blood and if the writers cannot see that.

Then they do not need me to tell them any more they are simply stunned by the need for green.

The lack of imagination staggers me. Why they think I want another unworthy story arc. Wow truly amazing how low they sink and how badly they put together story arcs.

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@arthurkerr: That does change things. I didn't know about that. As for "Feeling worthy" I wouldn't exactly word it like that. "Feeling worthy" brings to mind more arrogance than anything. I also never said in my theory that conviction was the only thing the enchantment would have been looking for. Honor was probably pretty big. Feeling you're cause is always just is just arrogance. I do however think being ready and willing to fight for what you believe and having faith in your own abilities would fit in with an Asgardian definition of "worthy." They were a warrior culture, who saw combat as honorable and killing as a necessary means to an end. So for say Hitler, who killed millions of innocent people on a whim, indirectly and with horrible and cruel methods, no I don't think the hammer would have found him worthy no matter how much he believed in what he was doing. I also don't think the hammer would have used a "Meh good enough" mentality. Say the hammer has 5 criteria for worthiness. One of them is conviction. Say Thor exhibits 5/5 criteria. Then Fury breaks his convictions with whatever he said. hammer sees 4/5 and says "Nope. Not good enough." But none of this speculation on my part means anything anymore if Odin lifted the enchantment. Are you sure they didn't retcon that somewhere recently?

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@kwhere2 said:

@arthurkerr: I'm not exactly following what you're saying. Could you please elaborate further?

I am saying Odin removed that enchantment and promised Thor to never have it happen again.

So he told Thor nobody else would ever take his power again.

He removed the enchantment.

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@arthurkerr: I'm not exactly following what you're saying. Could you please elaborate further?

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@kwhere2 said:

Maybe it isn't a specific event that made Thor unworthy. Maybe it was the knowledge of that specific event or mistake that changed Thor's state of mind and made Thor unworthy. Mjolnir originally didn't work for Thor because of his arrogance. Maybe Mjolnir doesn't give a shit about what the wielder does, only what the wielder feels. What if Mjolnir deems Thor unfit to wield it because his guilt at the knowledge of whatever Fury says breaks his convictions and throws his heart into chaos, thus making him "Unworthy" to wield Mjolnir. It's a weapon of incredible power. Odin wouldn't want someone suffering from emotional instability wielding it, I'm sure conviction is one of the things the enchantment looks for in a wielder. Maybe the hammer would find Dr. Doom or Magneto worthy if it weren't for their arrogance. Alternatively maybe Mjolnir judges worth by some kind of brain scan or something. Maybe it forms some kind of brain link through touch. Forms a kind of symbiotic bond with it's wielder's brain, and it gains access to their memories and thoughts that way. In that way if a particular character didn't know about something, then neither would the hammer, and becoming aware of an event would cause the hammer to also have knowledge of the event and be able to judge the individual on that event.

No because Thor has tossed the hammer away for more power in the past and come back and picked it up again with no problem.

So that is not it.

they make it to easy to steal the heroes power just about anybody can be worthy under those pretenses and have it back fire on them. Just wait till Bill fights somebody whom feels worthy in what they are doing and that is enough. Hitler felt like he was right in killing all those he killed does that make him worthy?

Why they would put something back on Odin had removed is insulting to readers.

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Maybe it isn't a specific event that made Thor unworthy. Maybe it was the knowledge of that specific event or mistake that changed Thor's state of mind and made Thor unworthy. Mjolnir originally didn't work for Thor because of his arrogance. Maybe Mjolnir doesn't give a shit about what the wielder does, only what the wielder feels. What if Mjolnir deems Thor unfit to wield it because his guilt at the knowledge of whatever Fury says breaks his convictions and throws his heart into chaos, thus making him "Unworthy" to wield Mjolnir. It's a weapon of incredible power. Odin wouldn't want someone suffering from emotional instability wielding it, I'm sure conviction is one of the things the enchantment looks for in a wielder. Maybe the hammer would find Dr. Doom or Magneto worthy if it weren't for their arrogance. Alternatively maybe Mjolnir judges worth by some kind of brain scan or something. Maybe it forms some kind of brain link through touch. Forms a kind of symbiotic bond with it's wielder's brain, and it gains access to their memories and thoughts that way. In that way if a particular character didn't know about something, then neither would the hammer, and becoming aware of an event would cause the hammer to also have knowledge of the event and be able to judge the individual on that event.

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@thegator: that is the only explanation I actually like. Thank you. I hope you're right.

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Interesting

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@krypton-115 said:

@sturmritter said:

I BELIEVE I HAVE THE ANSWER: THOR, ALDRIF HAS KIDS!!!!

How would that make Thor unworthy though?

yeah that would only work on a Mauri show. The DNA test shows you are the father....um damn I just thought it was a ten thousand year stand...who would of thunk it.

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I BELIEVE I HAVE THE ANSWER: THOR, ALDRIF HAS KIDS!!!!

How would that make Thor unworthy though?

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He whispered: Thor 2, The Dark World

Boy did it suck...

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Original Sin is evilllllllll

not sure about evil but it looks ill conceived and over all bad.

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story line , bahumbug we throw that out lol.

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How can the worthy enchantment effect Thor when Dr. Strange fused part of Thor's life force with Mjolnir to repair it? Mjolnir should obey Thor no matter what now since if Mjolnir breakes again Thor dies.

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"Thor I am your Father!" lol

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"Hail Hydra!" Obviously.

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Good thing we still have BRB

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im not buying any issues until this sham is over

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@arthurkerr: I don't really wanna read it either but I want to keep up on the unworthy Thor story (which is still stupid anyway) and see if female Thor is good or not

I'll at least get the first issue

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@jayc1324 said:

@t_aesir: so I guess that's a yes. Can't believe I'm actually gonna be buying a book with a female Thor

I would not touch this female Thor if it were a free book.

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Fury probably said he took advantage of Thor's booty hole.

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@dubyanw: Yes i am reading Thor God of Thunder and Original Sin...

Marvel could be disrespecting all Scandinavia because Thor was created there not by Marvel, if Marvel wants to adapt the character to praise him its ok to Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, if Marvel want s to do this kind of crap like in O S 7 and a female Thor, that s a offense to some country s that Thor Mythology is a part of their history.

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@t_aesir said:

What made Thor unworthy was Jason Aaron stupid writing, to force the identity theft, aka female that never will be Thor, because its not a mantle it s his birth name, and a old Norse male name, that marvel didn t created, only copy from Norse Mythology.

Marvel is only is interested in making headlines, disrespecting Thor and his past of honer, bravery and the Valhalla spirit, and by making this, it s disrespecting Thor long time fans.

People need to let this sh** go. It's happening. Marvel is disrespecting you? Please.

Are you even reading Thor right now?

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@super_soldierxii said:

Falcon is not Steve Rogers just because he carries the shield. Hokey stuff.

No one said he was. They said he will be Captain America, not Steve Rodgers. Others have carried the shield and worn the uniform and have been Captain America. This is that.

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@haveatthee: Oh,you got it wrong, bro. When I found out about this I got pissed just as much as any Thor fan.

I thought that Thor would dissapear or something, or he would be just replaced.

But then I heard about unworthy Thor. And I thought: Hell, why not? Now see why Thor is the god of thunder, and not the god of mjolnir.

About fury... He did have the watcher's eye. But I guess you're right, ot should've beeb someone from thor's comic.

But the worst is the b*tch claiming to be Thor.

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@wolfus: Good effort to try and give credence to this utterly piss poor idea of removing Thor's worthiness and making his name a mantle, but it's still ridiculous that Nick Fury of all people would be able to do this. We've also had 50+ years of Thor stories to illustrate why he is worthy to wield Mjolnir. This whole stunt is just wrong on so many levels.

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This is what Fury really said to Thor...

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@comedyknight:

I said my piece ain't much left for me to say on this topic...

01 This is a marvel publicity stunt that the company put above the the Character, disrespecting the character and all his fans like me.

02 I love Norse mythology and i usually buy all marvel books that are Asgard related, but in future only buying Loki Agent of Asgard, and Angela new book, she is not part of Norse Mythology (Marvel can t always follow the Eddas, if that happened it will be boring) but Angela is authentic, as her own personality and name, not a parasite like the identity thief.

03 If you think that way, in next October you buy The female publicity stunt new book...

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@theblackhood: You're talking Claremont's Siege Perilous Wolverine cruxifiction, good issue.

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