Comic Vine News

72 Comments

Interview: Scott Lobdell on SUPERMAN, Lois Lane and Shirtless Kryptonians

'H'el on Earth' is underway and the writer discusses some of the elements to the character along with Kryptonian fashion styles.

SUPERMAN #16
SUPERMAN #16

SUPERMAN #15 came out yesterday and H'el is still causing problems for Superman. With Scott Lobdell and Kenneth Rocafort coming on the title, we're seeing several new developments with Superman and other characters. With H'el on Earth going on, there are a lot of questions about the character and Krypton.

We had the chance to ask Scott a few questions to try to get to the bottom of things.

Comic Vine: Was H'el originally going to be Bizarro? Did the story change or evolve?

Scott Lobdell: When I made a proposal for Superman, part of it was to take Superman's rogues gallery and kind of bring them into the New 52. As anyone who has read TEEN TITANS or even to a degree, RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS, knows that I'm not above taking as many liberties as I can with the characters when defining them. In the proposal, I came up with a new take on Bizarro and Toyman and Parasite and Starro. They were so far afield from who these characters had been traditionally that DC said, in particularly in the case with my take on Bizarro, I had essentially just created an entirely different character. It would make more sense to let the character be his own character and leave Bizarro for another time.

When the entire story gets told, of H'el and not only just his origin he's revealed to us but also the origin he doesn't perhaps know at this time, by the time that story is told, everyone will see why DC, in their infinite wisdom were smart to separate H'el and Bizarro.

So yes, I had originally discussed a new take on Bizarro but ultimately it became such a bizarre take, if you will, that he became a different character completely.

CV: You've mentioned before that Helspont, last seen in the annual, is a story for later. Does that mean there's no connection to H'el?

SL: Correct. They might share some of the same monogramed bath towels, I'm guessing.

CV: Is using a family name a common thing on Krypton? He mentioned he didn't share the "blood" of her family?

SL: Considering that all six billion Kryptonians are dead, he can pretty much call himself Jor-El if he wanted to. There's no one there to correct him but I will say that Krypton was a very big place. Someone recently complained about why he's wearing what looks like a dress. I said well in America, there's not a lot of people wearing kilts but there are parts of the world where kilts and grass skirts and these types of clothing are acceptable. I think traditionally we've only seen Jor-El and the Science Council and maybe a city or two here and there. We have barely barely ever glimpsed Krypton in all its splendor and in all its multicultural facets which I'm sure exists. I think that it is probably well within the grounds of proper Kryptonian etiquette to perhaps take the name of a family that you respect or has accepted you. We're going to see a huge huge scene between Lara, Jor-El and H'el in issue 16. That should answer a lot of questions.

SUPERMAN #16
SUPERMAN #16

CV: What about his powers? Will we find out why he and Superboy have telekinesis and other Kryptonians don't?

SL: It's very fascinating to me, I used to read comics when I was younger and there was so much I didn't need to know to enjoy the story. To me, if I was a kid and reading H'el and all his powers and stuff, I would find it fascinating but wouldn't need to understand it. It's interesting to me that we live in a time where we need to know. I've had this question before and I could tell you but if I told you I'd be telling you what's happening in an issue around 24 or 25. Then you would be very angry at me.

Do you find that interesting at all?

CV: It's because of the internet. People feel like they could and should know everything right away.

SUPERMAN #15
SUPERMAN #15

SL: It's very interesting. So yes. And in issue 15, Lex says to Superman, or he alludes to it, it's this notion that we've all been looking at H'el and wondering how is he can do so many more amazing things than Superman? What happened to H'el that allows him to do that? I think the bigger question is what is it about Superman that has not had him manifesting these powers? Is it because he doesn't possess them or is it because Superman is so physically powerful that it's enough for him to push planets into orbit and deliver beat downs to intergalactic armies? Is it that he hasn't had to explore these different elements of his powers. Whether that's true or just Lex trying to crawl under Superman's skin is a story that I think all the Super-books will be investigating over the next or at least touching on.

CV: Is it pronounced "hell" or "huh-ell"?

SL: Huh-el! It's actually pronounced Huh-dash-el. That's the actual pronunciation. No.

CV: When can we expect answers about the zero issue, such as Superman being there before the destruction?

SL: Around issue 24 or 25. It might be 23 and 24. Right now it's planned in 24 and 25 of all Superman books, ACTION, SUPERGIRL, SUPERBOY and SUPERMAN. But that could change because life is about change.

SUPERMAN #16
SUPERMAN #16

CV: Is H'el just trying to impress Kara to try to recreate Kryptonians the 'old-fashioned way'?

SL: No, I think what's really tragic about H'el is from thirty thousand feet up he has a very noble cause that anybody could get behind. This is the saving of his planet. Unfortunately, as we discover, he can't do that without destroying Earth. That makes him what you and I would traditionally call a supervillain. To him, he thinks there's nothing more important than bringing back Krypton. He'll do anything to make that happen, including manipulating Kara. Sadly as the story progresses, he is going to find that his affection for Kara may at some point trump his prime directive to bring back Krypton. As you alluded to in your question, he might actually think there might be a more hands on approach to his goal.

CV: With the Justice League in SUPERMAN #16, will we see more of Lois Lane's reaction to Superman and Wonder Woman being a couple?

No Caption Provided

SL: Their relationship has not been made public just yet. Also in the New 52, Lois is so much more her own person than perhaps she's been portrayed in the past. So even when the time comes that Superman and Wonder Woman's relationship is made public, I don't necessarily think we're going to see a Lois who's particularly broken up about it. She has moved in with Jonathan Carrol. Presumedly she's very sincere and happy in that relationship.

CV: A user asked, if H'el is trying to hide his chest symbol, why doesn't he just put on a shirt?

SL: Again, I used to live in Malibu, CA. My neighbor six doors away was Matthew McConaughey and I used to ask that same question of him everyday when I would walk the dog. I never asked him directly but I did wonder why the guy will just not put on a shirt. Having said that, I do believe there are many places the world today that if were to hop into your Comic Vine catapult and shoot yourself across the planet, you could probably land in a many places where a shirt and shoes are not required for service. Similarly we will learn that H'el comes from a place on Krypton where tunics are not mandatory.

SUPERMAN #15 is on sale now. Issue #16 is in stores January 30.

72 Comments

Avatar image for ubermensch
Ubermensch

18

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Ubermensch

@baberaham_lincoln: Word... Superman`s hair by Rocafort looks as good as Dr. Derek Shepard: MC. Dreamy of Grey`s Anatomy (Patrick Dempsey) ^_^

Avatar image for baberaham_lincoln
Baberaham_Lincoln

960

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 1

I hope Rocafort stays for a looooonggg time... he makes superman's hair look awesome

Avatar image for xxxddd
xxxddd

3861

Forum Posts

29703

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 14

Edited By xxxddd

@revbucky said:

Sounds very interesting! Great artwork too.

Avatar image for ubermensch
Ubermensch

18

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Ubermensch

CV: A user asked, if H'el is trying to hide his chest symbol, why doesn`t he just put on a shirt?

Maybe he just likes to let his skin breath. LOL :P

Avatar image for darkman61288
darkman61288

972

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By darkman61288

He is a one shot villan. How else can they use him. Which gets me to the point that Dc is doing too much too fast. They are puting everything foreward. At this rate the DCU would need to be rebooted 5years from now.

Avatar image for cobramorph
COBRAMORPH

1884

Forum Posts

650

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By COBRAMORPH

Scott Lobdell said:

It's very fascinating to me, I used to read comics when I was younger and there was so much I didn't need to know to enjoy the story. To me, if I was a kid and reading H'el and all his powers and stuff, I would find it fascinating but wouldn't need to understand it. It's interesting to me that we live in a time where we need to know. I've had this question before and I could tell you but if I told you I'd be telling you what's happening in an issue around 24 or 25. Then you would be very angry at me.

The thing I liked best about Superboy was his Telekinesis powers, even if I havent yet seen something that shows how his powers worked. I've never liked the comic book idea that aliens all have the same powers. Although I do admit that in the case of Superman, his super-powers just being a mutation in him who just happens to be the last of his people & becoming a hero is kinda wierdly unlikely. Still, the idea that Superman might have even more powers that he doesnt know about, I do not like at all. Thats unnessassery. Wasnt Zod or Non shown to have telekinetic powers in Superman2? Kal-El doesnt need to have eveything.

I just wonder how H'El will linger around once he no longer serves a purpose, like Doomsday. Especially once the New52 is ended, & the DCU returns to the pre-Flashpoint normal.

Avatar image for oisindadevil
oisindadevil

11

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By oisindadevil

I think someone found H'el as he traveled through hyperspace and examined his Kryptonian physiology and then augmented his energy absorption powers for some deeper purpose.

Avatar image for herofromkrypton
HeroFromKrypton

25

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By HeroFromKrypton

@Fastblender said:

Well let's go see what IGN thinks of the latest issue of this "story" http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/01/02/superman-15-review Hmm, a 5.1, or a 51/100, a failing grade. Or in comicvine terms, a 2.5/5 An excerpt: Seriously, this Superman’s behavior is so unrecognizable that you would need to go watch Zack Snyder's Man of Steel trailer to remind yourself what experiencing Superman should feel like.

You can determine from just a trailer that this movie will be a true Superman experience? I'm an optimist and I'm hoping for the best with Man of Steel, but it pisses me off when haters bash the comics and then praise a movie they have yet to see. We barely even know what the plot is.

Avatar image for colonyofcells
colonyofcells

2038

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By colonyofcells

For a Krypton tv show, I prefer the 1938 super insect like kryptonians. All the kryptonians will be super like Jedi Knights and H'el is also a jedi knight which explains why H'el can do jedi mind tricks. The super kryptonians rule the universe for a thousand years until they are betrayed by General Zod who uses the secret back door weakness to the kryptonian brains to blow up their heads and kills all the kryptonians.

Avatar image for deactivated-60ae841330527
deactivated-60ae841330527

3981

Forum Posts

551

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@colonyofcells said:

I don't know the future but I believe the shirtless H'el should get his own CW tv show right after the Amazon tv show comes out.

They should do a show about Krypton before it blew up. They can have the clone wars. They can have a war with their neighboring planets (a la Earth-1). They can have an arc where the survivors of the explosion fly from planet to planet until they find the dead Daxamite world, who themselves perished in a war with their clones. Next the Kryptonians proceed to fly aimlessly through spaces until they are captured by Brainiac. Finally they have a TV movie where Superman saves them from Brainiac and it shows them 100000 years later as a prospering society on Mars building clones again with a war brewing with the humans; then H'el will show up at the end and be like "it has happened before and it will happen again". They can call the first part of the show Krypton and the second part Battle city Kandor.

Avatar image for colonyofcells
colonyofcells

2038

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By colonyofcells

I don't know the future but I believe the shirtless H'el should get his own CW tv show right after the Amazon tv show comes out.

Avatar image for darkman61288
darkman61288

972

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By darkman61288

true they could do that with most of the superpowered heroes. But people would complain about his strenght level. Also when do think this going to happen? I think in about ten years.

Avatar image for colonyofcells
colonyofcells

2038

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By colonyofcells

Labs near my home are now routinely creating new species of life by manipulating genes or putting together new genes with lego parts so why not redo super hero origins ? We now have the technology to easily redo superman's origin, better, stronger, faster.

Avatar image for deactivated-60ae841330527
deactivated-60ae841330527

3981

Forum Posts

551

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@darkman61288 said:

@drgnx Tradition is what these characters are all about. If that's the case why completely change who Superman is. How bout he is no longer an alien. Why not go farther?

I would totally be down for that too! Ultraman is one of my favorite variations of Superman. But at some point it there will be a line like H'el vs Bizzarro, when the character is not the character. I would completely not care if they made him from earth and I dig the Superboy changes to his powers as he is more TK based than before.

Avatar image for darkman61288
darkman61288

972

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By darkman61288

I agree,but are you serious?

Avatar image for colonyofcells
colonyofcells

2038

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By colonyofcells

I think in the next round of reboots, dc can just convert all of the origins from other planets into earth experiments which are more believable. The current biotech advances and nanotech advances are enough explanation for all super heroes.

Avatar image for darkman61288
darkman61288

972

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By darkman61288

@drgnx Tradition is what these characters are all about. If that's the case why completely change who Superman is. How bout he is no longer an alien. Why not go farther?

Avatar image for colonyofcells
colonyofcells

2038

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By colonyofcells

I am ok with super heroes hopping from girlfriend to girlfriend. Flash also is not with Iris so the new dc policy seems to try other girlfriends. Wonder Woman should also try many boyfriends and maybe Wonder Woman is bisexual.

Avatar image for deactivated-60ae841330527
deactivated-60ae841330527

3981

Forum Posts

551

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Is it just me, or is his main reason from H'el not putting on a damn shirt because Matthew McConaughey didn't wear one around his neighborhood?

Other than that, I like the new changes. I like the fact they are toying with Kryptonian powers. It seems there might be a trade off vs using TK and use physical enhancement and seen with Superboy's abilities. I'm sure H'el is a clone though and I hope they don't try to make him the Eradicator and I hope they don't kill him off either.

I don't like the new Steel design, and hope he gets his emblem back, I'm sure he will have to work for it though, it is the one change I don't like for DCnU.

I'm happy Superman is not with Lois, lets shake sh*t up, I hope she does her own thing and any relationship is temporary. Even if Wonder Women relationship goes south, Lois and Superman have had their run, I'd rather see them pull a Batwomen and have Lois hook up with Diana if the Super couple breaks up =P.

I'm just sick of tradition and have hopes the new 52 won't get shackled to it to appease traditionalists. I hope that they don't let DC's choice to not let H'el from being Bizzarro stop them from changing him when he comes back; the old Bizzarro could be too comical at times.

Avatar image for teerack
Teerack

10703

Forum Posts

1614

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 64

Edited By Teerack
Avatar image for jobbernos
jobbernos

1522

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By jobbernos

cool.

Avatar image for davidgrantlloyd
davidgrantlloyd

553

Forum Posts

25

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 7

Edited By davidgrantlloyd

Keep up the great work, Scott Lobdell!

Avatar image for redheadedatrocitus
RedheadedAtrocitus

6958

Forum Posts

8982

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 3

Wow, lived six doors away from Matthew McConaughey. This...suddenly explains oh so very much now. O_O

Avatar image for frandj
frandj

26

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By frandj

@Dark_Guyver : not for me. Sometime I still read some of them. But never made them as reference.

Avatar image for xblah_blahx
xblah_blahx

2893

Forum Posts

161

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By xblah_blahx

Wait?! Do people really take IGN scores seriously??

Avatar image for fastblender
Fastblender

54

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Fastblender

Well let's go see what IGN thinks of the latest issue of this "story" http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/01/02/superman-15-review Hmm, a 5.1, or a 51/100, a failing grade. Or in comicvine terms, a 2.5/5 An excerpt: Seriously, this Superman’s behavior is so unrecognizable that you would need to go watch Zack Snyder's Man of Steel trailer to remind yourself what experiencing Superman should feel like.

Avatar image for colonyofcells
colonyofcells

2038

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By colonyofcells

I am ok with Superman hooking up with Lana Lang, Cat Grant, Chloe Sullivan, Maxima, even bisexual Jimmy Olsen.

Avatar image for darkman61288
darkman61288

972

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By darkman61288

That is basically my point. Them together is too boring. You have a prefect man and a prefect woman together. How fun can the stories be? And I dont like Johns JL at all. The characterization is terrible. They are all flat. WW is basically a stereotypical female warrior. She is the most trigger happy and she falls in love with one of her companions. And the stories, Thrones of Atlantis seems like they adapted the Justice League espisode Enemy Below.

Avatar image for colonyofcells
colonyofcells

2038

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By colonyofcells

I am ok with Lois as Superman's best friend. As for H'el since he started out as Bizarro on Krypton, H'el is probably an improved clone so he has mental powers. Superboy might also be an improved clone bec he also has mental powers. Maybe in Krypton, clones were respected citizens. In the DC 1 Million event, kryptonians and descendants of kryptonians had more powers so maybe they could indeed evolve new powers over time similar to Doomsday or are more like Duplicate Boy.

Avatar image for mapledonuts
mapledonuts

16

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By mapledonuts

@konkrypton said:

Like some of the commenters here, I liked the SMLL romance. It has been part of the SM mythos from the beginning. That being said, I have no objection with the writers exploring the SMWW dynamic. After all, part of the reason you do a reboot is the characters have gotten stale and you need to shake things up. If it means that it takes a while for the SMLL thing to re-emerge, that's OK by me. But when it does, I hope that it's not "damsel in distress" theater all over again. I'd like her to fall for Clark, just as himself, then find out he's SM. And maybe even have a problem with the SM thing, lots of adjustments need to be made perhaps.

Anyway, I'm glad the writers are mixing things up a bit, so we can see the limits of the characters in the new timeline. These stories don't wreck the characters, they help define them, IMO.

"Damsel in distress" theater? Lois hasn't been any more a damsel in distress than Superman has been, and I guarantee you they'll find ways to put Superman and Wonder Woman in danger to play up the same sort of drama with them. Superhero comics demand "damsels". When you're dealing with stories about heroes everyone gets put in mortal peril and everyone gets saved. I analyzed comics from the last few years of the Post-Crisis era, and Lois only required rescuing max three times a year. Other than that, I agree that it's fine to explore the Superman and Wonder Woman dynamic. As some creators have said in interviews, doing so allows them to explore whether they're compatible, and I for one like the idea of the relationship helping the characters understand themselves better in ways that might make them realize they don't want to be together or work better as friends. Having the couple's incompatibility as mates decided/established in canon is certainly welcome.

Avatar image for mapledonuts
mapledonuts

16

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By mapledonuts

@supersmith said:

@mapledonuts said:

@supersmith said:

@darkman61288 said:

@BE__ Havoc @ supersmith I don't like the "power couple" either. It just stupid. Both characters are all ready unrelatable this just makes it worst.

Who says I don't like them? I for one am willing to give them their chance. It's refreshing for one to see Superman not making lame excuses/lying to a love interest or wringing his hands to save her and all the typical troupes that go with hero/ civilian love interests.If I want to read the same thing over I'd go back to trades. You can't hate something that they are only just starting to explore. That's a blinkered way at looking at things and clearly you not a Superman fan too.

You know what could accomplish the same thing? Not writing a Superman/Lois dynamic that involves a lot of saving. But then, I guess it's more refreshing to read stories where Superman is in need of constant saving. Lois saved his life and the lives of Metropolis citizens twice in Superman so far during Perez's run. Meanwhile, the Justice League--even Lex Luthor--are apparently necessary at times to save Superman from Cheetah (Justice League #13), from Vulko (Justice League #15), and now from H'El.

I would suggest that just because someone doesn't embrace the Superman and Wonder Woman relationship in the same way you do, it doesn't make them not a Superman fan. A good number of people don't find the relationship interesting or appealing. To me, it has no poetry. The secret keeping, etc. of the Superman/Lois relationship may be familiar, but it's the kind of familiar that exists in all myths that are retold. It's the obstacle the protagonists overcome. Meanwhile, something really beautiful and profound is said about a relationship between a human and an alien. It replicates the courageous love and acceptance the human Kents provided to the alien Kal-El and about loving what's on the inside of a person and seeing people with differences as equals on the basis of what's in their heart only.

Clark takes up journalism because he likes a profession that he can't rely on his powers alone. It's a challenge. With Lois it's the same thing. He has to win her as Clark, which is challenge. It also takes the kind of guts that true love stories have in literature and myth, like Romeo & Juliet or Aragorn & Arwen, have. Love stories that move us because the lovers have to bravely face fears and who come from different worlds. That they overcome those differences to reconcile the thematic conflicts in their lives/narrative is what gives the love story its meaning and epic quality. So, I think the Lois/Clark relationship can still be retold in an innovative way (less damsel in distress) and still hold a great deal of interest and power as a story. The relationship still has loads of fans, and being featured again in Man of Steel is likely to produce even more of them.

Yeah that lovers from a different world thing is a real challenge, isn't it? Funny you should contradict yourself.

You see and Lois and Clark ala Aragorn and Arwen? Er, with all due respect? No. Not really.

What's the contradiction and how are Lois and Clark not like Aragorn and Arwen in that they're lovers from different worlds (gods and mortals) willing to transcend those differences and make sacrifices? Seeing as how you just make claims without any reasoning or evidence to support them, unlike me, it appears you have very little substance to back up why you like or believe in the things you do.

Avatar image for frandj
frandj

26

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By frandj

i like how they write about SS and WW right now. 1st, i want to say that i am not LL hater. infact i love how clark and lois romance in past. but to be honest... i felt the intresthing aspect of Clark-Lois is kind of gone after they get merried back then. some story (about their romance) quite good after they get merried, but ... its... hmm... what should i say... most of all a bit boring... most of all what i kind of dislike (i don;t hate but not really like) is everything is "too" related to lois. supes down, he remember lois 1st, he fight for lois 1st, he gone ramapage bcoz of lois (die or hurt?), etc ... its like supes can't put personal matter for a bigger thing... if you know what i meant.

may be becoz Lois too intact to earth. meanwhile somewhere i miss supes adventure in space or anywhere else. i miss supes adventure like he was younger.

So right now... yes... i,m one of supes-ww suporter. i don't know how they will end up... but i kind of enjoy the story. how about Lois Lane... i think she still around. infact she kind a shit in the butt which can,t be remove. whenever supes there... its a big chance you will met Lois and Jimmy lurking for the news. Digging the new or "the hole" about supes.

my question is how about "other" supes gf? lana lang, maxima, etc... i kind want to see their "reintroduce" too...

Avatar image for reignmaker
reignmaker

2484

Forum Posts

25

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 4

Edited By reignmaker

Sorry dudes, Lobdell isn't the answer.

Avatar image for press_oblivion
Press Oblivion

1720

Forum Posts

236

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Press Oblivion

@Eternal19: I thought that this was a cool PRO for the relationship.

Avatar image for eternal19
Eternal19

2178

Forum Posts

298

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Eternal19

this arc is pretty good. I just wish clark and lois will get back together.. I really dont like this WW supes relationship. It doesnt even make any sense and it feels forced

Avatar image for press_oblivion
Press Oblivion

1720

Forum Posts

236

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Press Oblivion

@G-Man said:

The Internet. Check out the questions in the "Ask G-Man" thread. So many of them revolve around these.

I feel that there is a lot of anxiety about the relaunch because of the fickle nature of what characters maintained their lineage and which one got to start fresh. I don't think that it's too much to ask if the Death of Superman is in canon, obviously the Reign of the Supermen is not. They can make a definitive nod to that one way or the other very easily and then develop that later how ever they feel.

I thought this article was was good for answering the Bizzaro question for me as I thought that the backwards emblem was the nod to a new incarnation of the character, much like Red Hulk saying Milksop was the indicator that Ross was the Red Hulk early on. (Too bad about the Bizarro thing though H'el would have been an excellent redefinition for the character in the new 52)

Avatar image for konkrypton
konkrypton

4

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By konkrypton

Like some of the commenters here, I liked the SMLL romance. It has been part of the SM mythos from the beginning. That being said, I have no objection with the writers exploring the SMWW dynamic. After all, part of the reason you do a reboot is the characters have gotten stale and you need to shake things up. If it means that it takes a while for the SMLL thing to re-emerge, that's OK by me. But when it does, I hope that it's not "damsel in distress" theater all over again. I'd like her to fall for Clark, just as himself, then find out he's SM. And maybe even have a problem with the SM thing, lots of adjustments need to be made perhaps.

Anyway, I'm glad the writers are mixing things up a bit, so we can see the limits of the characters in the new timeline. These stories don't wreck the characters, they help define them, IMO.

Avatar image for jldoom
JLDoom

2358

Forum Posts

208

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 6

Edited By JLDoom

The art looks fantastic! Great interview too!

Avatar image for apieceofmymind
Apieceofmymind

5

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Apieceofmymind

Damn u Lobdell, damn u DC for destroying Lois and Clark

So now we're gonna see Lois Lane not only being a corporate puppet without integrity, she's gonna be celebrating the awful smww romance

disgusting

Avatar image for br_havoc
BR_Havoc

1756

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Edited By BR_Havoc

@supersmith said:

@BR_Havoc:I understand what you are saying. I feel Johns has done a pretty good job with them in JL but still its kind of like seeing the head cheerleader date the star quarterback its hard to care.

batman fan eh.

Nope, Actually I am a bigger Superman fan over Batman its just I fell of all the JL members Superman is the obvious choice for her to date. I would just rather see him back with Lois soon then later.

Avatar image for supersmith
supersmith

35

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By supersmith

@mapledonuts said:

@supersmith said:

@darkman61288 said:

@BE__ Havoc @ supersmith I don't like the "power couple" either. It just stupid. Both characters are all ready unrelatable this just makes it worst.

Who says I don't like them? I for one am willing to give them their chance. It's refreshing for one to see Superman not making lame excuses/lying to a love interest or wringing his hands to save her and all the typical troupes that go with hero/ civilian love interests.If I want to read the same thing over I'd go back to trades. You can't hate something that they are only just starting to explore. That's a blinkered way at looking at things and clearly you not a Superman fan too.

You know what could accomplish the same thing? Not writing a Superman/Lois dynamic that involves a lot of saving. But then, I guess it's more refreshing to read stories where Superman is in need of constant saving. Lois saved his life and the lives of Metropolis citizens twice in Superman so far during Perez's run. Meanwhile, the Justice League--even Lex Luthor--are apparently necessary at times to save Superman from Cheetah (Justice League #13), from Vulko (Justice League #15), and now from H'El.

I would suggest that just because someone doesn't embrace the Superman and Wonder Woman relationship in the same way you do, it doesn't make them not a Superman fan. A good number of people don't find the relationship interesting or appealing. To me, it has no poetry. The secret keeping, etc. of the Superman/Lois relationship may be familiar, but it's the kind of familiar that exists in all myths that are retold. It's the obstacle the protagonists overcome. Meanwhile, something really beautiful and profound is said about a relationship between a human and an alien. It replicates the courageous love and acceptance the human Kents provided to the alien Kal-El and about loving what's on the inside of a person and seeing people with differences as equals on the basis of what's in their heart only.

Clark takes up journalism because he likes a profession that he can't rely on his powers alone. It's a challenge. With Lois it's the same thing. He has to win her as Clark, which is challenge. It also takes the kind of guts that true love stories have in literature and myth, like Romeo & Juliet or Aragorn & Arwen, have. Love stories that move us because the lovers have to bravely face fears and who come from different worlds. That they overcome those differences to reconcile the thematic conflicts in their lives/narrative is what gives the love story its meaning and epic quality. So, I think the Lois/Clark relationship can still be retold in an innovative way (less damsel in distress) and still hold a great deal of interest and power as a story. The relationship still has loads of fans, and being featured again in Man of Steel is likely to produce even more of them.

Yeah that lovers from a different world thing is a real challenge, isn't it? Funny you should contradict yourself.

You see and Lois and Clark ala Aragorn and Arwen? Er, with all due respect? No. Not really.

Avatar image for supersmith
supersmith

35

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By supersmith

@BR_Havoc:I understand what you are saying. I feel Johns has done a pretty good job with them in JL but still its kind of like seeing the head cheerleader date the star quarterback its hard to care.

batman fan eh.

Avatar image for doordoor123
doordoor123

3817

Forum Posts

60

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 12

User Lists: 5

Edited By doordoor123

@sethysquare said:

@fartvader said:

Why again does He'L sometimes have the inverted S symbol and sometimes doesn't?

this is the question that im curious about though.

Does H'el have or doesnt have the inverted s.

I'm pretty sure Lobdell just confirmed that he has it, but he is hiding it with his TK somehow.

Avatar image for br_havoc
BR_Havoc

1756

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Edited By BR_Havoc

@darkman61288 said:

@BE__ Havoc @ supersmith I don't like the "power couple" either. It just stupid. Both characters are all ready unrelatable this just makes it worst.

I understand what you are saying. I feel Johns has done a pretty good job with them in JL but still its kind of like seeing the head cheerleader date the star quarterback its hard to care.

Avatar image for br_havoc
BR_Havoc

1756

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Edited By BR_Havoc

@supersmith said:

@BR_Havoc: You mean go down the over used route of just killing off the well meaning boyfriend who no writer cares to flesh out and is just canon fodder and will mean nothing to the narrative? It could be they plan that. Who knows with them. I wouldn't put it pass them to do the most obvious and cliched thing and not really write the sm/ww well at all. Just use it to add drama and undermine it. It's not a very nice thing to do to Diana's character though as she'll come off as the lame second choice. We were already in danger of Clark acting like a whiny kid over Lois' boyfriend last issue. They could have set him up with someone from his own cast . There was Lucy and Heather to choose from.

Hey I am not a fan of it ether but lets face it Superman has been a train wreck for the new 52. I have read all the issues but its a mess no writer has written Lois with the personality that made her special before (and that goes for TV and Movies as well). Clark they have attempted to write him as a angst filled character similar to Peter Parker and that simply does not fit the character. Then putting Lobdell in charge of the book he is not fleshing character out well and this interview kind of says that well I can't change Lois and Clark's relationship till Geoff Johns tells me I can.

Avatar image for gmanfromheck
gmanfromheck

42524

Forum Posts

259238

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 472

User Lists: 2

Edited By gmanfromheck

@Fastblender said:

I like how Tony blames "the internet" for wanting to know everything right away. Who has been asking for a detailed report on the mythical "5 years" before the DCnU every week on a podcast? Who has been asking which stories are/aren't in cannon in the Batman mythos? Who has been asking for a timeline of Robins? Who asked the question about the discrepancy in Superboys powers in the first place??

The Internet. Check out the questions in the "Ask G-Man" thread. So many of them revolve around these.

Avatar image for kesho_ronin
Kesho_Ronin

242

Forum Posts

24

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Kesho_Ronin

i liked the interview.can't wait to see how will this story end.also can't wait to see the helspont story....

and i gotta say i like Scott Lobdell and Kenneth Rocafort work on superman

Avatar image for press_oblivion
Press Oblivion

1720

Forum Posts

236

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Press Oblivion

I'm diggin' what's goin on with Superman! good stuff!

Avatar image for pspin
pspin

1081

Forum Posts

15126

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 182

User Lists: 0

Edited By pspin

I think that the best part about the arc is how all of the characters are portrayed so consistently across the three books. It might not be the greatest crossover of all time but it is definitely a fun and entertaining to see the Super-family struggle not only against a common enemy but to like each other as well.

Avatar image for mbecks14
Mbecks14

2114

Forum Posts

4160

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 15

Edited By Mbecks14

@mapledonuts said:

You know what could accomplish the same thing? Not writing a Superman/Lois dynamic that involves a lot of saving. But then, I guess it's more refreshing to read stories where Superman is in need of constant saving. Lois saved his life and the lives of Metropolis citizens twice in Superman so far during Perez's run. Meanwhile, the Justice League--even Lex Luthor--are apparently necessary at times to save Superman from Cheetah (Justice League #13), from Vulko (Justice League #15), and now from H'El.

I would suggest that just because someone doesn't embrace the Superman and Wonder Woman relationship in the same way you do, it doesn't make them not a Superman fan. A good number of people don't find the relationship interesting or appealing. To me, it has no poetry. The secret keeping, etc. of the Superman/Lois relationship may be familiar, but it's the kind of familiar that exists in all myths that are retold. It's the obstacle the protagonists overcome. Meanwhile, something really beautiful and profound is said about a relationship between a human and an alien. It replicates the courageous love and acceptance the human Kents provided to the alien Kal-El and about loving what's on the inside of a person and seeing people with differences as equals on the basis of what's in their heart only.

Clark takes up journalism because he likes a profession that he can't rely on his powers alone. It's a challenge. With Lois it's the same thing. He has to win her as Clark, which is challenge. It also takes the kind of guts that true love stories have in literature and myth, like Romeo & Juliet or Aragorn & Arwen, have. Love stories that move us because the lovers have to bravely face fears and who come from different worlds. That they overcome those differences to reconcile the thematic conflicts in their lives/narrative is what gives the love story its meaning and epic quality. So, I think the Lois/Clark relationship can still be retold in an innovative way (less damsel in distress) and still hold a great deal of interest and power as a story. The relationship still has loads of fans, and being featured again in Man of Steel is likely to produce even more of them.

Marry me? That was beautiful.

  • 72 results
  • 1
  • 2