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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther

Will The Dark Knight defeat Black Panther? Come find out what we think!

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

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To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

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This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

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Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

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Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

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I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

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Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

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What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

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If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

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There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

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Black Panther wins due to the suit.

I'd favor Bruce Wayne over T'challa.

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Batman always wins EVERYWHERE EVERYONE KNOWS IT there is all always a chance Black panther would win but it would be low but Batman has a huge arsenal he can dodge anything he has broken out of 54 TONS OF TNT Black panther may have better amour bur Batman always has backup Batman always wins!

Dude, Batman can not even dent his suit lol.

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Lot of batman. I totally agree. Batman will ko black panther. Panther is also a copycat.

Explain......

A copycat of who? DC ripped off Black Panther twice with Bronze Tiger and Red Lion.

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Batman always wins EVERYWHERE EVERYONE KNOWS IT there is all always a chance Black panther would win but it would be low but Batman has a huge arsenal he can dodge anything he has broken out of 54 TONS OF TNT Black panther may have better amour bur Batman always has backup Batman always wins!

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Sure, Batman would be as prepared as he could be, but T'Challa, with his tracking skills, would no doubt have the element of surprise. While Batman is also a strong fighter, Black Panther is much more agile, faster and deadlier, in or out of costume.

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What are the stats of Batman, peak human or something like that? Pretty sure Black Panther stomps.

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Bp wins

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He has outfought, outsmarted and outmatched Deathstroke in a fight in Deathstroke #5, so, Bats can take down BP.

Bats has also been beaten by Deathstroke, Bronze Tiger, Wildcat & a few more street-levelers. If Panther has his suit on, he's beating Bats.

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Panther ftw

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Black panther wins

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Depends. Batman with Hellbat suit stomps but Batman with standard gets stomped. BP's suit is too much. I hate when people never give Batman the tech ability. Give him a great suit against BP and he stomps.

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Panther stomps

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YES!! THANKS A LOT!! PANTHER WILL ALWAYS

MOP THE FLOOR WITH BATMAN!! GIVE HIM A LIFE TIME OF PREP AND BATMAN WILL STILL LOSE!! PANTHER ABSOLUTELY MEGACURBULTRAMURDER STOMP HIM!!! BATMAN'S GOT NOTHING ON HIM!!! TO ALL THE BATBOYS OUT THERE!! BATMAN WILL LOSE!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! HE WILL LOSE AND PANTHER ROCKS!!!! DEAL WITH THIS BATBOYS!!!

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T'challa.

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BP wrecks

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Black Panther being accused of being a Batman rip-off? Why am I not surprised. Anyway T'Challa takes this 8/10.

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Good points

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Lot of batman. I totally agree. Batman will ko black panther. Panther is also a copycat.

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Batman wins

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to be honest and fair, batman has defeated genuine gods like darkseid and superwoman with using nothing but his mentality and the standard gear in his pockets. Black Panther has an even bigger target on his back due to his super senses. which would allow batman any weapon that would overwhelm any normal human (knockout gas for smell), (Flashbang for light/sound) should theoretically be enough to send black panther into a coma. And finally batman never leaves town without transport, so his standard equipment should include the remote to at least 1 of his many 20-ton of justice dishing fun vehicles, which should have the firepower to go past black panther's armor, failing that the vehicle should be able to ram black panther and as such put him down with enough force to knock him out for a few hours or at least trap him so batman can think of something proper to handle him.

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Looking back on this thread, most of the people would said Batman wins either knew next to nothing about Black Panther, or gave some of the STUPIDEST arguments for Batman I have ever seen in my life.

They also relied on insulting the character. Black Panther still wins. He can do anything Batman can do, but possibly better.

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Again I say Batman would lose...just because well you cannot win them all and well He is Batman take like a man dammit...

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BP wins 11/10. He can actually solo the whole DC and Marvel universe in less than 10 seconds. He's the KING OF COMICVINE. I mean like, how can you even make battles with him, when every sane person, who knows BP knows, that it's pointless to make a fight with BP, since he will automatically win.

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No this time its BATMAN...

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@jashro44: That's true, it just seemed Bruce still held the upper hand prior to Harley's interference.

Not that it really matters either way considering how off his game Slade was when you look at the entirety of that first arc as well as that issue.

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Does Batman Always Win?

yes.... batman always wins

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@jayc1324: A freight train creates a lot more force than either an rpg or a tank missile. There is also the fact black panther took multiple hits...

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@jashro44: Batman has tanked getting hit with RPGs and tank missiles but I guess a freight train might create more force

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Black panther would beat him 7/10

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@jayc1324: multiple hits from a bloodlust we iron fist which were stated to be as powerful as a freight train.

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@mr_sinestro: What has BP's suit taken that would kill batman?

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@jashro44: let's not forget Slades condition he was in.

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@alexander505: In his recent battle with Bruce Slade stated he wasn't anywhere near 100% and lost his physical enhancements. So yes Bruce beat him, but it's not like he beat a fully functioning Slade.

I don't even think bruce beat him. Yea he had the upper hand at first but in the end of the fight Bruce needed Harley to save him, and even after that Bruce was injured and buying time.

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Just to clarify: Even if T'Challa doesn't have the newfound tech Hickman gave him, I'd still side with T'Challa after an incredible fight. His combination of intellect, stunning skill (and the willingness to take more drastic methods sooner), boosted physicals, and simple yet highly effective armor/weaponry means T'Challa should beat Bruce after a phenomenal encounter. They'd definitely respect one another when all is said and done.

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@dondave: But he was wearing armor, and Darksied was holding back.

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He would dominate Captain America, because unlike Cap, he's actually mastered every martial arts on the planet, and has more gear, whereas Cap is only adept, and has his shield.

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@k4tzm4n said:
@granitesoldier said:

@alexander505: In his recent battle with Bruce Slade stated he wasn't anywhere near 100% and lost his physical enhancements. So yes Bruce beat him, but it's not like he beat a fully functioning Slade.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Harley Quinn hit Slade in the back of the head. Aaaaaaaaaaand he said having two eyes was throwing him off. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's more, but it's covered in you saying he admits he isn't near 100%.

Yeah, I looked at the fight as a measuring stick. We've seen how Bruce vs Slade goes down before (albeit Pre-52, but still) and I think Daniels was showing us how off his game Slade was by having that go down the way it did.

thats actually i really good theory GS. i never thought of it that way. I like it

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@k4tzm4n said:
@granitesoldier said:

@alexander505: In his recent battle with Bruce Slade stated he wasn't anywhere near 100% and lost his physical enhancements. So yes Bruce beat him, but it's not like he beat a fully functioning Slade.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Harley Quinn hit Slade in the back of the head. Aaaaaaaaaaand he said having two eyes was throwing him off. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's more, but it's covered in you saying he admits he isn't near 100%.

Yeah, I looked at the fight as a measuring stick. We've seen how Bruce vs Slade goes down before (albeit Pre-52, but still) and I think Daniels was showing us how off his game Slade was by having that go down the way it did.

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@alexander505: In his recent battle with Bruce Slade stated he wasn't anywhere near 100% and lost his physical enhancements. So yes Bruce beat him, but it's not like he beat a fully functioning Slade.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Harley Quinn hit Slade in the back of the head. Aaaaaaaaaaand he said having two eyes was throwing him off. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's more, but it's covered in you saying he admits he isn't near 100%.

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@serrure said:

@k4tzm4n i miss these types of things... if you ever were to do this again you should just do analysis' (< i think thats right) of fights in general. like it doesnt have to be a Batman only thing.

I for one would love to see your analysis of Wolverine vs Deadpool

or Gambit vs Moon Knight

just saying all of these "Does Batman always win" have been really good.

Thanks, serrure. I really miss writing them. Man, I was so happy when Gambit vs. Moon Knight went down in one of the previous events. It was short, but oh-so-fun. Does Moon Knight have his standard gear from the 2006 run or carbonadium armor? There's a lot of variables either way. As for Wolverine vs. Deadpool, here's what I think about a random encounter with standard gear (taken from one of my way older posts):

  • Adamantium lacing means a random encounter and standard gear Deadpool is going to have an extremely uphill struggle putting him down.
  • Wolverine is more skilled. This is simply a fact.
  • How about he has defeated Wade in an encounter that fits perfectly into the battle forum rules (random encounter, morals apply, standard gear). The only part that doesn't fit perfectly is location, they're in a HYDRA base (Note: this is from Cable and Deadpool. Scans didn't copy over). This is of course only taking one of their many fights, but I feel it best displays how I feel a match like this would really go.

As I've said, a fight like this will be entertaining and bloody. Deadpool has the physicals (speed, reflexes, agility) and skill to make things very interesting. But at the end of the day, Wolverine is more skilled, and his adamantium means he'll be more difficult to incapacitate/KO, and it also grants him the means to incapacitate Wade.

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@alexander505: In his recent battle with Bruce Slade stated he wasn't anywhere near 100% and lost his physical enhancements. So yes Bruce beat him, but it's not like he beat a fully functioning Slade.

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@k4tzm4n i miss these types of things... if you ever were to do this again you should just do analysis' (< i think thats right) of fights in general. like it doesnt have to be a Batman only thing.

I for one would love to see your analysis of Wolverine vs Deadpool

or Gambit vs Moon Knight

just saying all of these "Does Batman always win" have been really good.

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@alexander505: His suit has taken hits from things that would kill Batman. He has beaten a skrull with the fighting skills of Marvels Best fighters. He has a Vibranium site and daggers you are being unrealistic. You are a DC fanboy.

Just went through your picks and 85% are batman. I wouldn't call you non-bias....

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@dodirty said:

@alexander505: You Cray Cray, BP would wipe the floor with Bats. Deathstroke isn't even on Black Panthers Level

of course, BP is a God...you're a Marvel fanboy.

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@alexander505: You Cray Cray, BP would wipe the floor with Bats. Deathstroke isn't even on Black Panthers Level

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He has outfought, outsmarted and outmatched Deathstroke in a fight in Deathstroke #5, so, Bats can take down BP.