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Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther

Will The Dark Knight defeat Black Panther? Come find out what we think!

We've all seen the memes or heard the jokes before... Batman always wins. Why? Because he's Batman! As funny as this tends to be, I thought I'd turn it into a monthly segment to test that statement out. Batman obviously doesn't always win, but I thought it would be fun to see who he could defeat in fair, one on one battles with fellow street level characters that aren't from his universe.

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To make sure the segment is always neutral, the match will always be a random encounter (this means neither has knowledge on the other or prep time) and in a generic, unpopulated city setting (at night but city lights are on). They'll start roughly 50 feet apart, have their standard gear and they will be in character. Naturally, they have the objective to defeat the other character. Just like over in the Battles Forums, the winner will be declared based on who I think will take the most victories in this scenario if it played out 10 times. Additionally, it's worth noting that this segment is treating all Pre-New 52 Batman feats as canon (New Earth, of course).

So far, I've placed The Dark Knight against Captain America (stalemate) and Wolverine (The X-Man wins). Now he's going face-to-face with a character drastically similar to him in a lot of regards -- Black Panther!

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This is usually where I break the segment up into three parts. I'd have one for Batman's advantages, one for Black Panther's advantages and then the verdict. However, in this case they are shockingly similar in so many elements and I feel it would be easiest to discuss these matters together. I'll bold and underline key points, too.

Hand-to-hand Skill

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Both of these characters deserve praise for their technique and knowledge of martial arts and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Batman is a confirmed master of 127 different styles and has held his own or flat-out defeated some of the best street levelers in his universe. He's also embarrassed Nightwing and has overcome ridiculous amounts of enemies (BATMAN #16, for a recent example). He's no stranger to using nerve strikes (Solomon Grundy) and his peak human condition in combination with his skill allows him to give characters physically superior to him a tough time (Deathstroke, for example).

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Meanwhile, T'Challa is often underrated when it comes to his effectiveness in this regard. AVX: VS #5 confirmed he's studied every fighting style in the world and, just like his opponent, knows how to use precision against physically superior characters. He's dropped Luke Cage, taken down Karnak, fought evenly and defeated Steve Rogers, and has brutally defeated a Super Skrull which had a wide variety of effective talents (Bullseye, Captain America, Elektra, Shang-Chi, and even T'Challa's).

These two are very close in this regard and I'd warrant a slight edge to Batman due to a more impressive selection of feats throughout his extensive history.

Equipment

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I'll just come out and say it: I'm giving this edge to Black Panther. Batman has a huge assortment of of offensive and defensive gear at his disposal. Electric, gas, explosive, incendiary and cryo is barely scratching the surface of what Wayne can throw T'Challa's way, but ultimately, I don't believe they'll overcome the advantages Black Panther's vibranium armor provides. It grants a huge amount of protection against blunt trauma, stabbing damage (though cuts can penetrate if they go along the seams), and defend against the other attacks Batman has in his belt. As you can see in the image provided, Black Panther easily withstood a lightning strike from Storm, has endured hits from powerhouses including Hulk and Iron Man, taken volley of Iron Fist's chi-backed punches, and was perfectly fine after being shot by numerous assault rifles at point blank range. It goes without saying that his armor is quite protective.

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Keep in mind, this is only addressing his durability against Wayne's attacks so far. When it comes to his offensive capabilities, T'Challa has deadly energy daggers and anti-metal claws which would absolutely tear through the Dark Knight's kevlar if it connects. The Marvel hero's boots allow him to withstand falls from greater heights and in a city setting that's definitely going to come in hand if a fight reaches a rooftop. Furtheremore, in NEW AVENGERS #1 we saw T'Challa has cloaking, teleporation and an energy shield. Wayne certainly brings a lot to the table, but in my opinion, T'Challa's goodies are simply more effective and provide just as much offensive and defensive variety in this case.

Mentality

Both are considered to be among the top human minds on their planet. The Caped Crusader is dubbed the greatest detective and T'Challa has a spot on the Iluminati for a reason (or at least was offered it). Both are masters of prep time, but since this is a random encounter, their absurdly good feats in this factor are really just moot points here.

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What this comes down to is how both will act in this specific scenario and if either has the advantage when it comes to a tactical mindset. In that regard, I'd say both are roughly even. Both have the skill and intellect required to see subtle openings in their styles and are more than observant enough to not fall for obvious traps or tricks. However, when it comes to how far they'll go, I'd say T'Challa is the more brutal one. Wayne shocked me when he recently put a grappling line through Scarecrow's jaw, but T'Challa is a man that has no gripe ripping out eyes (Super Skrull) and, in NEW AVENGERS #1 (pictured above), he "basically ripped a dude in half" according to writer Jonathan Hickman.

Physicals

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If this was made several months ago then they would be even in this regard. T'Challa was peak human while leaping around Matt Murdock's turf... but unfortunately for Batman, I'm making this feature now and Black Panther has once again been upgraded to above peak human (King of the Dead). T'Challa is now at least enhanced when it comes to his physicals, therefore he he takes this advantage. This isn't a huge advantage, though, since Batman has trained thoroughly enough to reach peak human condition.

The Verdict

So does Batman always win against Black Panther? In a random one on one fight, I think Black Panther would take the edge. Out of 10 fights, I'd probably grant him 6-7 hard fought victories over DC's Caped Crusader. Batman has the skill to eventually defeat him in unarmed combat, but sadly for him, this isn't unarmed combat. And while Bruce does have plenty of gear on his side, it'll take a lot to keep the Avenger down. It'll be a lengthy and brutal battle, but I see T'Challa's durability being the game changer.

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There's now an official discussion thread for this monthly segment! Go there to make suggestions for future combatants (they need to be non-DC and street level!) and provide feedback!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. When he's not lurking around Comic Vine (which is rare), you can find him on Twitter.

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Posted By GraniteSoldier
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Posted By Wolverine008

@citizenbane: Hmh, wow. While I do think Panther was still more underrated here due to him being far less known than Batman, I do note a healthy amount of asinine reasons why Black Panther would beat Batman. Both sides were being somewhat ridiculous, and showed a lack of knowledge on either character really when you look over it all.

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@sidismail98 said:

Skill and hand to hand goes to Batman, slightly.

Intellect goes to Batman, slightly.

Tech/weapons go to BP, slightly

Physicals go to BP, slightly, but Batman has fought physically stronger foes WITH h2h capabilities and won(Deathsroke).

2 points to Batman, 1.5 points to BP.

It's either a stalemate, or Batman wins since T'Challa's physical attributes won't do him much good.

umm

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He just defeated Thanos strongest General. You need to start judging the updated BP not the old BP

Strongest general? nice now where did you pull that from? he's completely featless,all he did was get owned by Panther and for that Thanos killed him.

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@sidismail98 said:

Skill and hand to hand goes to Batman, slightly.

Intellect goes to Batman, slightly.

Tech/weapons go to BP, slightly

Physicals go to BP, slightly, but Batman has fought physically stronger foes WITH h2h capabilities and won(Deathsroke).

2 points to Batman, 1.5 points to BP.

It's either a stalemate, or Batman wins since T'Challa's physical attributes won't do him much good.

umm

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He just defeated Thanos strongest General. You need to start judging the updated BP not the old BP

And how did you come up with this that he is Thanos' strongest general?The only feat he has is getting owned by T'Challa and later he was killed by Thanos himself.

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Posted By GrenadeFlow

@tdk_1997 said:

@grenadeflow said:

@sidismail98 said:

Skill and hand to hand goes to Batman, slightly.

Intellect goes to Batman, slightly.

Tech/weapons go to BP, slightly

Physicals go to BP, slightly, but Batman has fought physically stronger foes WITH h2h capabilities and won(Deathsroke).

2 points to Batman, 1.5 points to BP.

It's either a stalemate, or Batman wins since T'Challa's physical attributes won't do him much good.

umm

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He just defeated Thanos strongest General. You need to start judging the updated BP not the old BP

And how did you come up with this that he is Thanos' strongest general?The only feat he has is getting owned by T'Challa and later he was killed by Thanos himself.

Tom Brevoort said he was in his infinity report on cbr

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@tdk_1997 said:

@grenadeflow said:

@sidismail98 said:

Skill and hand to hand goes to Batman, slightly.

Intellect goes to Batman, slightly.

Tech/weapons go to BP, slightly

Physicals go to BP, slightly, but Batman has fought physically stronger foes WITH h2h capabilities and won(Deathsroke).

2 points to Batman, 1.5 points to BP.

It's either a stalemate, or Batman wins since T'Challa's physical attributes won't do him much good.

umm

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He just defeated Thanos strongest General. You need to start judging the updated BP not the old BP

And how did you come up with this that he is Thanos' strongest general?The only feat he has is getting owned by T'Challa and later he was killed by Thanos himself.

Tom Brevoort said he was in his infinity report on cbr

Brevoort through the years has said a lot of things that have come up to be nothing like the things he has said.And even if this guy is Thanos' best general then this means that none of the other generals are anything special after T'Challa defeated him.And another thing that proves Brevoort wrong is that probably the strongest Thanos general is Ebony Maw who mind controlled Doctor Strange.

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Posted By sidismail98

@wolverine08: Well so far all you've done is call me a fanboy and say some T'challamartial arts feats, which still can't match up to Batman's. Also please don't insult people.

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Posted By sidismail98

@granitesoldier: Panther isn't better than batman in martial arts. Batman has pwned some of DC's best, while holding back.

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@citizenbane: Weren't T'challa feats against the people you mentioned with prep? Still not seeing anything Batman can't do.

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Posted By GraniteSoldier

@granitesoldier: Panther isn't better than batman in martial arts. Batman has pwned some of DC's best, while holding back.

Never said he was. I said they have both mastered every martial art and combat style. That makes them even. Please read my whole post before making accusations.

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I'm pretty sure Batman learned some martial arts that have been hidden for centuries. Like the time when Robin was hurt and Batman was like "don't move" and he touched his forehead with his fingers and BAM Robin gets up! That's the kind of moves you only see in Kung Fu Panda. Touch a guy on the head and he's all healed. Skill goes to Batman, but only by a slight edge. NOT by a longshot. Even the OP says so.

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Edited By Batmananddaredevil4life

batman would beat panther hes way smarter and he could study panther in a couple minutes while fighting him and beat him

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Posted By Al_capOWN

Batman would win, duhh

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Posted By CaptainAmerica1986

lol too many Batman fanboys. If this is BP with the King of the Dead amp, then BP would easily stomp Batman. If not, then it would be close. T'Challah isn't just any fighter, he's probably one of the best in the Marvel Universe. On top of that, he is the 8th smartest person among the Marvel heroes. I don't think Batman is on par with T'Challah's intellect.

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Posted By CaptainAmerica1986

@grenadeflow said:

@sidismail98 said:

Skill and hand to hand goes to Batman, slightly.

Intellect goes to Batman, slightly.

Tech/weapons go to BP, slightly

Physicals go to BP, slightly, but Batman has fought physically stronger foes WITH h2h capabilities and won(Deathsroke).

2 points to Batman, 1.5 points to BP.

It's either a stalemate, or Batman wins since T'Challa's physical attributes won't do him much good.

umm

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He just defeated Thanos strongest General. You need to start judging the updated BP not the old BP

Strongest general? nice now where did you pull that from? he's completely featless,all he did was get owned by Panther and for that Thanos killed him.

Yeah.. I'd love to see what Batman could do in a random encounter vs. Black Dwarf, a guy who tanked Glads laser eye beams (whatever it's called). Black Dwarf put up a good fight against Glads, Super Skrull, Ronan, and Annihilus.

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Posted By LordoftheNorth

@captainamerica1986: What? Batman is clearly on BP level of intellegance he is one of the smartest people in the DCU he isnt called the WORLDS GREATEST DETECTIVE for nothing not to mention he is most likely DC's best stratagist so saying Batman isnt on PB level makes you sound just as bad as the so called "fanboys" you where making fun

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@lordofthenorth said:

@captainamerica1986: What? Batman is clearly on BP level of intellegance he is one of the smartest people in the DCU he isnt called the WORLDS GREATEST DETECTIVE for nothing not to mention he is most likely DC's best stratagist so saying Batman isnt on PB level makes you sound just as bad as the so called "fanboys" you where making fun

He isn't on his level especially since T'Challah got amped. Prove to me how Batman can be T'Challah. Batman may have a high intellect, could be considered the worlds greatest detective IN DC, but he isn't going to beat BP. Like I stated before, if this is pre king of the dead, then it would be a good fight. Otherwise, Bats gets pounded.

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Posted By LordoftheNorth

@captainamerica1986: i never said BP isnt able to beat Bruce i just have a problem with you thinking that Bruce somehow isnt on BP's level of intellegance

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Posted By Bezza

..has anyone noticed that Batman never wins any of these threads?!

...I don't know enough about BP to call this one, but he isn't a powerhouse so batman has a chance.

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Posted By k4tzm4n

@bezza said:

..has anyone noticed that Batman never wins any of these threads?!

...I don't know enough about BP to call this one, but he isn't a powerhouse so batman has a chance.

Batman has 6 wins, 3 defeats, and 2 "too close to calls."

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Posted By Bezza

@k4tzm4n:

Fair enough,. I must have only read the ones against the likes of cap and Wolverine!!

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Edited By Doomnaut

Will we get another "Does Batman Always Win?"

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Posted By Kanen

@natewhite192 Anything Bats has to offer would do nothng to BP. He's just to high tech for Batman and BP claws would rip through any of batman's armours

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Posted By OdamaBaine

Batman is smarter and more skilled but he won't get past the vibranium armor. At least with normal gear

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Posted By darkhunter89

I think its a stalemate

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Posted By Tikbaz

Tie.

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Posted By Valdemocnij

Does Batman Always Win? Batman vs. Black Panther...

You know whats answer on Batman vs Superman... why you then post this ? When he can fight with Superman, whats then point with anyone else... Man i really start to don't like Batman in last month... and Spider-man too... Superman of course ! Can someone told me some less known hero/superhero... this famous superhero are, how you say that on english - exaggerated !

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And yea... sorry for my bad english...

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Posted By Master_Of_Evil

batman has access to a mother box he can open a boom tube and send tchalla into space, last time i checked panther cannot breath in space. batman wins

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Posted By DrF8

There's alot of people who can beat Batman. But this poor knock-off is not one of them.

Captain America with standard gear would loose to Batman.

Wolverine would probably win, but it's debatable. Wolverine's healing factor & unbreakable Bones are giving him an Edge...but it could go either way.

Black Panther freaking looses to Batman. Also : if you want to make it a fair fight...then T'challa should be without his ibrahim armor. Or Batman should receive his Dark Knight Returns suit. No, actually if Batman had his DKR suit he would destroy BP.

In my opinion, from these three battles...batman would win two and loose one.

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Edited By TheBattleCalculatot

Batman wins more often then not.

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Posted By Meticulous

The correct answer is BATMAN.

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Posted By Guru_Crack

I can't say who'd win as all I really know about Black Panther is what I read and he just seems like a African batman if i'm honest, so i'll let everyone else duke it out.

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Posted By Delaroja

Panther wins.

He's basically batman but with a better physique and not to mention brutal.

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Posted By Apocalypse3

BP.

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Posted By _Mongul

Batman gets trashed. I think OP was being generous.

8/10 goes to BP.

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Posted By Captain13

Looking forward to seeing this debated again when Black Panther appears in the MCU.

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Edited By robertloucksjr

@usabfb: Yeah, because landing a slashing bladed hit on BP in a precise spot is SO easy. Better physicals and gear give BP the majority.

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Posted By Olaf_Silvermane

This is such B.S. Just my opinion. Batman is such a jobber on CV, only.

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Posted By hirev_starman

Stalemate

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Posted By Olaf_Silvermane

CV battle forum: A magical place where things that would never happen, happen. All the time. And are reinforced by biased crazy zealots. Why do I even read these things... You would think I would have learned my lesson by now, but no... I keep holding out hope that people will stop being haters, and just use feats.

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Posted By Marvel_kills_DC_2

lol batman can't even beat street thugs

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Posted By NinjaWarrior268

I don't see why you guys think Batman will struggle with Black Panther. He stalemated Karate Kid, beat Flash and *insert PiS moment here*

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Posted By JugJugBanks

i'm too distracted by that overblown craptaculous Finch art to answer yet...

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Posted By NinjaWarrior268

I'm glad I was able to turn in an argument essay on why I think Batman can beat Black Panther for my English final. My professor suggested doing an argument paper on politics but I would rather write about characters I love.

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@logan_reilly: you mean one above all and the presence?

Batman wins 5 and 1/2 out of ten

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Posted By NinjaWarrior268

Batman beats Black Panther with his Justice Buster or nano fiber future suit