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Comic Vine Battle of the Week: Venom/Scarlet Spider vs. Luke Cage/Iron Fist

Team Spider takes on the Heroes for Hire! Which team wins? Well, that's up to YOU!

It's time for a little bit of Marvel mayhem in the segment's second team battle. In one corner, we have the Heroes for Hire, Iron Fist and Luke Cage. In the other, we have two characters connected to the Spider-Man family tree, Scarlet Spider (Kaine) and Venom (Flash Thompson). If these two teams were forced to fight under the following rules (see below for details), which side would have your support and why?

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Comic Vine Battle of the Week Rules

  • Combatants are in character.
  • This is a random encounter.
  • They're fighting in a generic downtown city setting. It's unpopulated and at night and all standard city lights remain on. Assume they start roughly 20 feet apart and visible. However, there's a fair amount of cover between them (parked vehicles and such). The entire area is on limits. This means alleys, rooftops, building interiors, etc.
  • Everyone has their standard gear.
  • Incapacitation, knockout or death all count as elimination.

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Comic Viners, you have until this Friday morning (ET) to research the characters, present a case and/or dive into the debate with others and, of course, cast your vote! As always, Friday's update will include one Viner's argument for the winning character (only posts in the poll thread will be considered and they can't include scans *link above*), the staff's thoughts and if we're extra lucky, thoughts from writers, artists and others in the industry (spoiler: one writer has already provided a blurb)! Viners, it's understandable that debates over "who would win?" can get heated, but please try to keep the conversations informative and not personal.

Feel free to make future match suggestions in the comments below or via Gregg's Twitter page.

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I will be upset if fans allow team spider to win. They have so many things riding against them.

- Team spider has no teamwork capabilities at all. Both are lone wolfs that do there own thing (especially when venom hulks out. At that point he would just attack Kaine since he looks like Peter). While Luke and Danny have been fighting together for years. Kaine and Venom wouldn't be able to coordinate well enough to focus one down while CCing the other. (Even though I doubt they would be able to do that.)

- Team spider has no way of stopping Luke, short of just slowing him down. Plus with Danny's new feats of chi I feel he can almost solo (Healing his wounds with his chi and face tanking a bullet train full of nukes without taking any real damage is damn impressive.)

- Team spider does have the speed advantage but it would be only a matter of time before Luke snags one of them and makes them hurt (And I'm fairly sure Luke has fought and caught spiderman before).

Kaine and Venom have the option of either fighting an unstoppable force or an unmovable object. It would be a nice fight but Luke/Fist would take it a hefty majority of the time.

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Very close, but I see the Iron Fist/Luke Cage team winning in the end. They're no slouches and have more experience than Scarlet and Venom. Add in Cage's invulnerability and the fact that the Spiders will probably be arguing with each other just as much as they're fighting, and I see this as going Cage and Danny's way. The only immediate factor which I see being in the Spiders' favour is their agility allowing both of more maneuverability than Cage/Danny, but eventually they're going to have to get in close to attack.

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On impulse I want to say Venom & Scarlet Spider, but I'm going to go with Cage and Rand.

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before I vote I have to take into account strength, speed, teamwork, durability, combat skill, a few other things. this shall require research.

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damn this is hard! I vote Cage/Fist.

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I saw a scan get posted from this fight and figured I'd post the entire thing. Danny was able to cut right through it using a volley of super fast punches.

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I'd like to say Scarlet and Venom but tbh what happens when both lose control and revert to the "monsters" we know and love? if they can keep the symbiote and Other under control I see no reason why kaine and flash cant put them down for the count.

this entire battle is basically scarlet and venom trying to finish the fight before losing control cause once that happens the shit is going to hit the fan

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@atrumi said:

I will be upset if fans allow team spider to win. They have so many things riding against them.

- Team spider has no teamwork capabilities at all. Both are lone wolfs that do there own thing (especially when venom hulks out. At that point he would just attack Kaine since he looks like Peter). While Luke and Danny have been fighting together for years. Kaine and Venom wouldn't be able to coordinate well enough to focus one down while CCing the other. (Even though I doubt they would be able to do that.)

- Team spider has no way of stopping Luke, short of just slowing him down. Plus with Danny's new feats of chi I feel he can almost solo (Healing his wounds with his chi and face tanking a bullet train full of nukes without taking any real damage is damn impressive.)

- Team spider does have the speed advantage but it would be only a matter of time before Luke snags one of them and makes them hurt (And I'm fairly sure Luke has fought and caught spiderman before).

Kaine and Venom have the option of either fighting an unstoppable force or an unmovable object. It would be a nice fight but Luke/Fist would take it a hefty majority of the time.


I dont think the venom Symbiote would react to Kaine as if he was peter, if you read minimum carnage the carnage symbiote knew something was off with scarlet spider hense why he continued to call him not spider-man =p

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it goes something like this. one of the Spiders does this...

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And the other does This...

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Cage would be the 1st to go down...you guys got to remember, webbing has held stronger people in check

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I'm a huge fan of all 4 characters but I think if Venom & Scarlet Spider work together, they would win. Team Cage/Iron Fist has a lot of advantages, one of the top being that they're used to working together & know each other well. A partnership like that allows them to strategically strike together and move as an organized unit w/out really having to communicate their intentions. The reason they would lose though is that Venom & Scarlet Spider are both powerhouses that are also willing to kill, and I believe Luke & Danny just don't work that way. At the end of the day Venom can drown Luke w/ his symbiot and Kaine (having years of experience as an assassin and his ridiculous power set) can brake's Danny's neck or stab him in the heart with a stinger. I think Venom and Scarlet Spider are used to the lone wolf act so if they can work together long enough to separate these two heroes for hire, they would take them down.. it wouldn't be easy but they would ultimately come up w/ a win.

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Luke's got the durability to take all of their attacks. Danny's skills shuld ensure their victory. SWEET CHRISTMAS!

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Powerman & Iron Fist should win this.

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those spikes scarlet spider has can go right thru luke so scarlet can stab him straight in the heart, and venom and fist i dont know about that one.

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The Heroes For Hire take this in my opinion

It seems like they would have better teamwork

Edit: It would be really close without a doubt

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I would have to go with the Venom/Scarlet Spider team over the Iron Fist/Cage. Due to the fact, that Flash Thompson has the Venom thing. It could snake it's way into Cage's mouth and destroy his entire insides. Fist may be quick...but against two of them which are stronger, faster and much more deadlier than him? No contest. Bug team rules!

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Cage & Fist...no doubt...are you kiddin' me??...Cage & Fist are as badass as badass can get...they need an ongoing series again...

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I think the fight would take all day but the spiders would walk away with the victory, their speed and mobility is what i think would give them the win not to mention they have been known to cause and deliver a very good amount of damage in their own right. The spiders win, that is unless they try to kill each other first and then Fist and Cage share popcorn and watch then stomp the victor.

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