One of the very first mutants, Apocalypse is both thousands of years old and a monstrous tyrant that has been a longtime foe of the X-Men. Apocalypse believes that only the strongest (whether mutant or superhuman) should survive. His body is a mix of organics and powerful celestial technology, boosting his shapeshifting and other powers to god-like levels.
" No wonder why Mr. Sinister betrays him so much. I haven't seen Sinister betraying as many people as Apoc. does or has. How exactly does Apoc. respond to someone more powerful to him? Would he be servile or still hating? "
He never admits that anyone is more powerful than him. Hence, hypocrite.
" No, Apocalypse believes in the survival of the strongest and those who are weak should make themselves strong in order to survive. No matter how. Also, Darwin was not the first scientist to coin the phrase, he was the one to suggest natural selection. "
Apocalypse's survival of the fittest take on morality is actually closer to the work of Herbert Spencer than it is to anything that Darwin wrote. Herbert Spencer was the father of the philosophy "Social Darwinism", which is based on a misinterpretation of Darwin's account of evolution. Darwin stated that a species's survival was dependent on its ability to develop adaptations that were beneficial in its given environment. Darwin was not making a claim about how humans should behave in society, as Spencer or Apocalypse misrepresents it. As a matter of fact all the organisms in a given environment contribute to forming an ecosystem which is beneficial to both the survival and the evolution to the given species. Apocalypse and Spencer misrepresent evolution as being solely the consequence of compotition, but actually there is a very strong element of cooperation that is needed between species for evolution to occur.
I'm glad Kadeem mentioned Hebert Spencer I couldn't think of his name but I believe he is credited for coining the term "survival of the fittest", not Darwin.
@kadeem: maybe like Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
" @kadeem: maybe like Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
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Nietzsche was a great philosopher, and did not support this garbage at all. Stop reading Nazi interpretations of his work.
@kadeem said:
" Apocalypse's survival of the fittest take on morality is actually closer to the work of Herbert Spencer than it is to anything that Darwin wrote. Herbert Spencer was the father of the philosophy "Social Darwinism", which is based on a misinterpretation of Darwin's account of evolution. Darwin stated that a species's survival was dependent on its ability to develop adaptations that were beneficial in its given environment. Darwin was not making a claim about how humans should behave in society, as Spencer or Apocalypse misrepresents it. As a matter of fact all the organisms in a given environment contribute to forming an ecosystem which is beneficial to both the survival and the evolution to the given species. Apocalypse and Spencer misrepresent evolution as being solely the consequence of compotition, but actually there is a very strong element of cooperation that is needed between species for evolution to occur. "
That's because evolution by definition is a change among species, not among individuals.
" @kadeem: maybe like Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
"
Nietzsche was a great philosopher, and did not support this garbage at all. Stop reading Nazi interpretations of his work.
I can see an argument being made that Apocalypse in a Nietzschian Ubermench. Apocalypse has overcome great adversities through his early life to become great and powerful and to live on his own terms. While Nietzsche was not a Social Darwinist, he did reject the notions of good and evil as well as morality itself.
this thread is stupid... Yea... Apoc is wrong... but hes right... kind of... and Yes Darwin was the 1st to say it but he wasnt... kind of... so to chatter about Who is 100% right and 100% wrong... is well stupid... kind of... see it kinda doesnt matter... nothing really matters... but thats beside the point... this topic of being 100% wrong or 100% right... is useless because it changes nothing... see Apoc says it his Way... and its a Imagination land and in that land Darwin doesnt exist... so Apoc isnt wrong for saying it on the account that he believes in it... But he is wrong by believing that it is ok to kill innocent people to create a perfect future... its Inhumane... and not cool... and the world does live by survival of the fittest... but in the context of being Wealthy... and healthy... not necessarily being able to survive a disaster or being able to beat someone else up... IMO
" @kadeem: maybe like Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
"
Nietzsche was a great philosopher, and did not support this garbage at all. Stop reading Nazi interpretations of his work.
@kadeem said:
" Apocalypse's survival of the fittest take on morality is actually closer to the work of Herbert Spencer than it is to anything that Darwin wrote. Herbert Spencer was the father of the philosophy "Social Darwinism", which is based on a misinterpretation of Darwin's account of evolution. Darwin stated that a species's survival was dependent on its ability to develop adaptations that were beneficial in its given environment. Darwin was not making a claim about how humans should behave in society, as Spencer or Apocalypse misrepresents it. As a matter of fact all the organisms in a given environment contribute to forming an ecosystem which is beneficial to both the survival and the evolution to the given species. Apocalypse and Spencer misrepresent evolution as being solely the consequence of compotition, but actually there is a very strong element of cooperation that is needed between species for evolution to occur. "
That's because evolution by definition is a change among species, not among individuals. "
Sure I agree with you completely the interpretation of the classics in philosophy has been completely corrupted by nefarious political tossers gits and fanatics, to rally people to a flag waving contest and create scape goats. The important thing in this thread is what would apocalypse think ? I'd say his interpretation of Darwin and the work of Nietzsche is very very Nazi like "Oh so Stating the Obvious". Not to put a to fine a point on it but Apocalypse is a racist dictator with a god complex who wants to create a super human race through conflict and the enslavement of others.
Using great literature for domination In my book that's just plain rude!!! Philosophy is not a weapon we should be using philosophy to inspire our selves and a generation to get wasted!! again
For what it’s worth Apocalypse is completely insane, referring to himself as a savoir of the planet. Of course, 3000 years locked up in an alien spaceship would make anybody a little nutty .
How seriously, or literally, can you really take the words of a mad man? He’s off his rocker - nuts - crazy! His words and overall philosophy might sound a lot like others (such as Darwin’s) but they are a product of an insane mind.
That’s why I’ve always liked Apocalypse as a villain, he’s answers the question of what would happen if you had an incredibly powerful mutant that was also completely psycho - ah hilarity ensues!
You could say that Hitler and Apocalypse have a lot in common; they’re both psychotic genocide-monsters who commit crimes against humanity. Hitler certainly took things that where in no way truthful and then forced them onto the German people through constant propaganda and coercion. Hitler was insane in that he felt the lies he was spreading where the truth, he believed them with an inhumane obsession - much like Apocalypse. Both Hitler and Apocalypse are convinced that they are doing the right thing, and that they are destined to rule the world.
I don’t know if Marvel was thinking of making a mutant Hitler when they thought of Apocalypse, but if someone asked me to write about some psycho wanting to purify the human race through genocide Hitler would sure spring to mind.
" @CATMANEXE: Holocaust and Stryfe followed Apocalypse's Survival of the Fittest philosophy pretty well. And so does Mr. Sinister and Magneto to a small extent. Apocalypse, also, wants to rule everyone. He wants to be at the top. "
Holocaust was suppose to be his son, though I don't think in the literal/blood sense, Stryfe was a clone of Cable that Apoc kidnapped from birth and brainwashed into his servitude as a future vessel, Sinister is a geneticist, and couldn't care less for Apoc's way of life, in fact, he's totally against it, hence why he created a being like Cable, to have a weapon to take him down one day, and Mags, only believes in Mutants as a superior race, he's quite different from apoc.
" Does anyone know where Apocalypse is as of now? Last I saw of him was walking of with Stryfe's body. Was that in the future? Is he around today? "
He should be returning in Second Coming. Yes. He was in the Age of Stryfe. He transferred his consciousness into Stryfe's body, which shouldn't have happened because Apocalypse himself said that he couldn't do that to a clone's body. Maybe he was lying?
@bumnut said:
" @Edamame said:
" @CATMANEXE: Holocaust and Stryfe followed Apocalypse's Survival of the Fittest philosophy pretty well. And so does Mr. Sinister and Magneto to a small extent. Apocalypse, also, wants to rule everyone. He wants to be at the top. "
Holocaust was suppose to be his son, though I don't think in the literal/blood sense, Stryfe was a clone of Cable that Apoc kidnapped from birth and brainwashed into his servitude as a future vessel, Sinister is a geneticist, and couldn't care less for Apoc's way of life, in fact, he's totally against it, hence why he created a being like Cable, to have a weapon to take him down one day, and Mags, only believes in Mutants as a superior race, he's quite different from apoc. "
I don't even think that the comic book writers established where Holocaust comes from. Maybe another adoption, like Stryfe. Apocalypse also views mutants as being superior to humans, just in a more extreme way. He even applies the Survival of the Fittest philosophy to mutants themselves. Magneto has attacked his own mutantkind himself though.
@CylonDorado said:
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Lol, according to Darwin, Apocalypse's top priority should be having a bunch of kids.
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LOL. I don't think that Apocalypse ever engaged in any amorous or intimate relationships with anyone. "
cool, thanx for the info. Second Comming, that the next big Xevent? Age of Stryfe, that's already hapend?
apocalypse's tag line, is Darwin's survival of the fittest. Like Hitler he makes the mistake that physical strenght is wat Darwin meant. Darwin actually meant that any race had the potential if they had the ability to have offspring, to have variability and inherentence.
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What? Apocalypse isnt wrong. Survival of the fittest in terms of evolution means having favourable traits that enhance your chances of successfully reaching the age of reproduciton.
@crazy spidey: i think what apocalypse means is a) he doubts that the existing species are all going to be able to survive together or b) he thinks that the current living conditions of Earth's species is so miserable he hopes to jumpstart a new race that is happier and more at peace.
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